Everyone's Favourite...speeding tickets.

[Ramius]

But where is the evidence that the picture and the number belong to the same vehicle?

Read my post again and look for the hidden meaning. The secret code. The answer to all that needs to be known. The subliminal message.

[Phurrball]

O.k. folks, where in this thread did I say something deserving of a slur on my attitude such as is mentioned on post #48 from Phurrball on this thread??

Ooh, that cut to the quick

Don't all rush, my delicate feeling could be crushed by too much neg. info.

(Once again I note a couple of things: the 'fire-iest' post is from (a) a newby with (b) less than 20 posts)

WRT the question in your post:

Ahh, the best part is that YOU pay us - and we're fucking wankers!! Like I care when somebody gets away? I still get paid each fortnight

I don't think my time on the forum has any effect on the validity of otherwise of my opinions. It does WRT the deference I should have to more senior members.

Anyways - I got a wee bit excited, and I will accept some of your criticism, and partially resile from my comments. I am sorry scumdog, I do not have enough information to make sensible comment with respect to your personal attitudes, it is almost certain that you have never ticketed me, I should have known better, and I apologise.

I'll give you a free shot - as I too am heading towards a sometimes maligned profession - I'm another scummy law student.

A little clarification: The firey part of may rant is based on conjecture, but on 3 actual incidents, and my radar detector, which objectively verifies that the majority of general duties police cars I have seen in Auckland are not using their radar, which is in stark contrast to what I observed in Dunedin - I can only speculate as to the motives for this.

I should point out that I do my best to be polite to any officer who pulls me over for whatever reason ("Sir" etc...)

2 of the incidents involved tickets (unsurprisingly on a downhill stretch of road, given my car...) One officer was young, a little smarmy for my tastes, and said all the things that push my buttons...I carried on home in a dark state of mind that likely did road safety no favours. The other officer was older, and in spite of being obliged to write me a ticket, was a very pleasant gentleman who admonished me in relatively benign and soothing terms, and I went on my way lacking the bad taste that I had from the previous incident - the differrence was attitude.

The 3rd incident involved being pulled over on a deserted Dunedin night by a GD car with radar for the 'suspicious' act of going up one one-way, and down the other (the officer also happened to independantly do this). I think he was bored.

See my previous post - IMHO I would love to see the attitude applied to speeding applied to those who do not indicate, in fact I could *accept* the policy on ticketing for speed offences as a quid pro quo if it was extended to non-indicators, and other aspects of poor driving - which I believe pose at least as great a road safety threat as those who speed to excess.

There is a *perception* of police roading policy (Which somehow unfairly seldom extends to the polical masters of the police), which rightly or wrongly ends up colouring the attitudes of the public WRT police priorities in a negative light.

Maybe I'll meet you someday touring in South Otago - a fine part of our beautiful country, I'm sure you're a lovely chap

Phurrball/Ross.

[Biff]

I'm another scummy law student.

Can I have a free pop too? Actually - don't answer that, as I'm going to anyway, and don't even think about billing me for it.

Now we're talking real leaches here - Lawyers. The kind of profession that was created when somebody first scraped something nasty from the bottom of their shoes.

Moneygrabbingvultures.

(Please don't take it personally - yet. Unless you end up as my lawyer. In which case I'll make sure that you take it personally. He sure as shit knows I don't like him. Fkin vampire).

Rant Over - Carry on.

[Lou Girardin]

I'm pleased you didn't get pinged Ixion, but why didn't the cop nail the cow in the car?
Which would've been the more serious offence?

[Lou Girardin]

Rape is a purely indictable crime and as such is a matter for a CIB detective to investigate. Nobody expects general duties or traffic cops to investigate these offences beyond whatever initial action is required upon receipt of a complaint. Equally nobody expects a CIB detective to allocate 20% of his or her time to traffic enforcement either. If rapes aren't being investigated its because there aren't enough detectives, not because there are too many traffic cops.

Try gaining a little understanding of the matters you are critiscising.

Then they need to promote more taxmen to detective.

[Lou Girardin]

I think, phurrballl, that the cops you think don't have their stalkers switched on, either don't have them or they're in instant on mode.

[Phurrball]

Can I have a free pop too? Actually - don't answer that, as I'm going to anyway, and don't even think about billing me for it.

Now we're talking real leaches here - Lawyers. The kind of profession that was created when somebody first scraped something nasty from the bottom of their shoes.

Moneygrabbingvultures.

(Please don't take it personally - yet. Unless you end up as my lawyer. In which case I'll make sure that you take it personally. He sure as shit knows I don't like him. Fkin vampire).

Rant Over - Carry on.

Hehe - I like a good lawyer joke as much as the next person - You can't take yourself too seriously! - FYI I studied something 'real' first, and went a long way down the road to becoming a scientist...Lawyer 'in jokes' are pretty vicious too - anyone mention the cookie jar?

[Phurrball]

I think, phurrballl, that the cops you think don't have their stalkers switched on, either don't have them or they're in instant on mode.

For sure - why radar detectors are only an odds evener at best (ironically, they are obliquely aimed at policy rather than at frontline police)

Impossible to cheat a laser, even if you can detect it (no one reacts at the speed of light)...and you'd need bloody quick reactions, and to not be too far over the 'de facto' limit to beat instant on (even though radar is usually a few km/hr in the motorist's favour due to the angles they are set at for good doppler return).

'Quiet' cop cars (except on Tamaki Drive) are just an observation I've made in my few months here...vaguely interesting...probably not much more to it than that...

[Rainbow Wizard]

The nasties now definitely click from the date of the offence, regardless of when you paid the tax and I think the demerits from EACH offence only hang in for two years and then fall off whereas before I think you had to be demerit FREE for two years before they got nullified.

Any bureaucracy indulgent savvies here care to source the true facts?

[meister]

final words to this thread from the author...

first - loosey, my bike is not a K2, it is actually a Y-model but regd '02, hence the speedo

secondly - spudchuka - i'm only a newbie to this site mate, don't lose sight of that. lose the "holier than thou attitude", the uniform does not give you the right to determine who is right or who is wrong, just to uphold the law. i pay your wages, and if there are the odd-few who are ruining the police force's rep, take it up with them, not me. i admit, it was a generallistic view of cops, but i did not apint you with that brush. i have a view, like the media and the NZ public and so do you, let it go...and i would expect that when we do meet (be it for me speeding again or on a ride), we can be adults about it and take the forum as a place to vent some views but not lose fact of what we are here to do; talk, live and breathe bikes. take a leaf out of the next fellow's book; thus,

thirdly - bykey cop - thanks for the thoughts and making thoughts on the question at hand, not my views, as a good cop should. i have paid the fine, i just had a non-aggressive attempt at getting out of it, thats all and wanted to hear some thoughts on that.

fourthly (is that a correct term?) - biff (and i am guessing based on the movie character judging by the post) - read the post. i was cordial with the cop, i took the ticket, had a chat about what i was up to that day, he asked about my name (i am only one of two in the country - hope that narrows it for you spud when you go on the vengeance path), and we discussed his holden, as i used to work for holden. in fact, anyone who went past might have thought we were either mates or lovers. i did not have an attitude, only with those who deserve it...not looking at anyone in particular...

so thanks guys, i think we have let it alllllllll out, and are straying off the track. BTW, am going to sydney for the super 12 final should the mighty warratahs make final, am thinking of hiring a harley 9although i am not quite that old) and doing a bit of cruising through the blueies...anyone got recommendations of where to get a bike?

remember spud, i'm riding out to sth head saturday morning (leaving akld around 0630) i'll even give you the rego if it helps...

ciao guys, catch you, hopefully in another thread.

[Indoo]

final words to this thread from the author...

i pay your wages, and if there are the odd-few who are ruining the police force's rep, take it up with them, not me.

You ever stop to think that Police pay taxes also i guess that would make them self-employed? My Wife earns about twice what I do and i would guess a hell of alot more than you, that would mean she has about 3 times the say you do in how this country is run.

i admit, it was a generallistic view of cops, but i did not apint you with that brush.

No clue, sorry.

i have a view, like the media and the NZ public and so do you, let it go...

Yep the media definately have a view, they also have a view on bikers and other things that make headlines. If your view was even remotely informed it could be respected.

thirdly - bykey cop - thanks for the thoughts and making thoughts on the question at hand, not my views, as a good cop should.

Yep you should be able to slag off all cops and in the same sentence ask them to help you avoid a ticket you rightfully and lawfully deserved.

Mikey and Winja take the piss and are slightly amusing, Lou sometimes has some valid points, but you are just pig shit stupid.you are a very intelligent and well informed poster.

[Dafe]

I agree with earlier comments - Pay up if you were caught cleanly speeding.
Otherwise, Dispute the fine.

Also, If you think that "Parallax Error" is any kind of excuse for getting off of paying motorbike fines then you may wanna let short arse pilots know that when they read the altimeter incorrect, they'll be granted a get out of jail free card!

Unfortunately for you, you trusted somebody elses markings, I've known people who place their markings 5-10km lower to allow for error or accidental overspeeding. Did the previous rider of your bike do this or was his markings the Legit one and only?

[Biff]

fourthly (is that a correct term?) - biff (and i am guessing based on the movie character judging by the post) - read the post.

I did - then I read your remarks about Kiwi's, poms and handbags. The Kiwi and Pom's remark covered off and broadly insulted about 95% of the people here - hence my pointed response about your arrogance. Maybe you didn't realise you appear arrogant, or at least your appearance of being arrogant in this thread. But hey, in your own words you're a newbie. Lesson learnt.



And alas no - I'm not a movie star. I'm called Biff for other reasons.

[Ixion]

I'm pleased you didn't get pinged Ixion, but why didn't the cop nail the cow in the car?
Which would've been the more serious offence?

I think the only thing he would have noticed would have been me slowing down from 70. To an observer it would have been very undramatic. Mabel trundled out into the traffic stream doing 40 -50kph. I zipped sideways with a bit of acceleration. Doubt anyone else even noticed what was happening. Of course if I'd stayed where I was and hit Mabel it would have been dramatic. But that really was not very likely, I try to avoid such things.

Only a biker would have thought - "Hm what would have happened if that motorbike *hadn't* nipped sideways like that - oh yeah, shit" Cagers just don't think like that.

Obviously what Mabel did was the more serious offence from a safety POV. I regard failure to stop/give way as always serious.

[Wolf]

i said it in my very first post (under newbie intros), "if i offend anyone, i apologise, but i will never apologise for what i have said", isnt that what forums (within reason) are an avenue for, free speech?

So saying that every cop on this forum is guilty of storing porn on their computers is "within reason" according to you?

If that is the case, then my wild-arsed assumption that you spend way too much time playing computer games should be totally reasonable - on the grounds that while your assumption was based on the "objective statements" in the popular press (who have no political axe to grind and are not at all motivated by gathering revenue - I feel a new Tui ad coming on...), my assumption was based on observation of your posts.

You do not appear to have learned that the other "players" in these on-line forums are real people with real jobs - you seem to behave as if they were merely computer-generated images in a computer game - hence my assumption of your computer experience.

You have a self confessed attitude of "fuck 'em all if they get offended, I have every right to treat them as I please" - the "bravery" that comes from knowing that they can't smack you in the gob. You trade on the relative anonymity of your profile to say things that you would not have the balls to say to the faces of the likes of Spud, SD, Marty &c if you met them in a pub.

The same applies to your sweeping comments about kiwis and poms. If you tried that crap in a pub you'd get hammered and you know it - which is why you say it here where you feel "safe".

"Free speech" is not defined as "feeling free to say what you'd be too scared to say under other circumstances".

The term you were looking for is "Gutless coward".

FYI "Free speech" is the right to speak out against the policies of the government without being summarily arrested and jailed, not the right to behave like a total arse in public.

sit tight guys, tissues are being couriered to dry those eyes.

Most of the blubbering here has come from you - "I got a ticket and they wouldn't let me off, boo hoo, advise me what to do you porno-reading pigs" and then you got all teary-eyed and "I'm allowed to treat you like shit, it's called free speech" when you got jumped on about it. Save your tissues for yourself - you seem like you have the greater need.

Better yet, revert to lurk mode until you learn something about the humans on this site - then you can slag them off for what they are really like, not what you think they're like, based on a stupid fucking newspaper story.

To everyone else: Yes I know, "arguing with a fool" etc and "Don't feed the Trolls" blah blah but WTF, I felt the need to taste blood today...