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    How things have changed

    By chance I found an old copy of the Road Code the other day. It is not old enough to be the one I used when I got my bike licence, but maybe the one I had when I got my car licence, or maybe when my sister got hers. Anyway, it bears no date, but the pictures , based on car styles and clothing, clearly date it to early to mid sixties.

    It was interesting reading. And an interesting comparison between the rules and attitudes then, and those now.

    For a start is is MUCH smaller and simpler than the present one. And seems a lot more common sense based and less pompous.

    It sensibly differentiates between the law (in red) and "sound advice" - in black.

    There is very little lecturing and some issues are notably absent . For instance , it simply sets out the speed limits (of which more below) , and says that "if you exceed the speed limit you will be fined". That's it. No lecture.

    It does spend more time on dangerous driving, and speed dangerous. Which attracted then an automatic MINIMUM one year disqualification.

    Drink driving is similarly short and sweet. And attracted a MINIMUM automatic disqualification of three years , for the first offence. Automatic minimum of 10 years for the second . Plus fines and imprisonment.

    Interestingly, the rules then would appear to have made lane splitting illegal. It was very clear that "no passing" lanes (not specified as yellow, just as solid lines), meant "No passing". Penalty for breach, automatic three months disqualification! And the present exemptions about being able to overtake in the same lane, overtake on the left under certain circumstance etc are either not there, or are specifically counterindicated. Overtaking on the left was illegal outside 30mph areas no matter what. And even in built up areas only in very specific circumstances (eg where there were signs or lane markings).

    The code was much smaller and thinner than the modern one. But of its 30 pages, it spent two on strictures about not overtaking on no passing lanes , or on blind bends, or blind hills. "If observed by a traffic officer, the penalty is an automatic 3 month disqualification!". And two pages on strictures about keeping left and not impeding traffic. With pictures of "Good driving" and "bad driving " - the latter holding up 4 cars in the picture. "If observed by a traffic officer you will be heavily fined".

    Interestingly it also cautioned that when (legally) overtaking , you should move completely to the other side of the road. And warned that crossing the centre line , other than when overtaking , (it was particularly harsh on crossing the centre line on bends and hills) would attract yet another automatic 3 month disqualification "If observed by a traffic officer". No work licences in those days either.

    And pages and pages on hand signals. "If you have trafficators or flashing lights you may use these , but do not rely on them" . Pages on give way and stop signs (more 3 months disqualifications !) , but no mention at all of traffic lights. Maybe we didn't have them then.

    More pages on horse drawn traffic, including the lights they needed (!). And a warning that conviction for a traffic offence while driving a horse drawn vehicle could lead to loss of drivers licence , even though a licence was not needed for a horse drawn vehicle.

    The speed limits were interesting. Car and motorbike , open road was 55 mph (90kph). I knew that, but I had forgotten that a motorbike, if carrying a pillion , was limited to 45 mph (70 kph). Built up areas were 30mph (50kph) same as now. And, very interesting, on a provisional licence (the term then for a learner licence) you were limited to 30mph. And a "wise advice" that on a provisional licence you "should not drive on roads having a speed limit greater than 30mph" . Which is interesting in light of our 70kph limit for learners. Clearly, that was a relaxation.

    No other speed limits - just open road, built up, and provisional driver.

    All in all, I thought the rules then a lot simpler, and clearer. And more sensible. Less anal fussing about minor issues , and a LOT stricter on things that actually are dangerous.

    I am not sure that we have advanced much.
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    You should forward that to the Hon Steve Joyce (name right?) the transport minster.
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    Speaking to the vespa riding surfie at work he mentions a time when if you were able to ride your motorcycle to the cop station and request a motorcycle licesne, you got it!

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    It would make interesting reading for sure. Good find IXion

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    Good post Ixion,
    Thanks for that....
    Heck, it looks like the Police would have filing cabinets full of suspended licences if they applied some of those penalties now...

    Not sure if things have got better either.... Except that I'm allowed to do 100k with a pillion... Oh, and because of the increase in volume of traffic, there is a requirement to overtake slower vehicles more often now...

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    I remember the red and black writing (they must have carried that on for a few more years).The disqualification terms seem harsh,and although I was only a young guy not able to ride or drive yet...I don't remember many people losing their license.Maybe my family and friends were very law abiding.

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    I recall a few being disqualified for drink driving. Not much else. I suspect that the snakes used a fair bit of discretion. And , realistically, there were very few snakes on the open road then .

    I suspect part of the rationale behind the apparent relaxation of penalties between then and now would have been that the harsh penalties actually didn't work, because, being harsh, the snakes were reluctant to summons on that charge (there were no 'tickets' as such then, you hard to be sommonsed for any offence) .
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by quickbuck View Post
    .... Oh, and because of the increase in volume of traffic, there is a requirement to overtake slower vehicles more often now...
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    I am not so sure of that.

    Firstly, yes , greater traffic volume, but on the other hand, there were no multilane highways then (I think we did have the first motorways, of very short distance). No bypasses around towns, either, and definately no passing lanes.

    Moreover, there was a lot MORE slow traffic.

    Back then a decent 500 or 650 would manage around 80 to 90 mph . But most cars , and almost all small cars , were very lucky indeed if they could reach the speed limit at all. The top speed of cars like the E93A Ford, SV Minor etc was about 50 mph. And trying to maintain anything near that for more than a few minutes would almost certainly blow the engine. There were some fast(ish) cars : Yank V8s, Jags, Super Snipes, the Ford Zephyr - maybe - top speed about 75 mph, but the "blow up the motor" limitation meant that they were really only able to hold 55 - 60 mph for any distance.

    And, to balance that, because cars were (a) very dear , (b) very hard to get new , no matter how much money you had , the fleet was a LOT older than it is now.

    I remember when I learned to drive , it was in a 1926 model Studebaker, and that was not at all unusual. There were a LOT of cars from the 1920s and 1930s on the roads , and they were even slower. Top speed of an Austin 7 (still very popular in the 1960s) was 45mph. Not so many old bikes, because the army took them all during the war, and never gave them back. Bastards.

    So, I think that there was as much need then as now, maybe more, to overtake slow traffic. Certainly that accords with my memories.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    And pages and pages on hand signals. "If you have trafficators or flashing lights you may use these , but do not rely on them" .
    When I did my practical I had to use hand signals. The bike had indicators, but I had to signal all turns and stops by hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I suspect part of the rationale behind the apparent relaxation of penalties between then and now would have been that the harsh penalties actually didn't work, because, being harsh, the snakes were reluctant to summons on that charge (there were no 'tickets' as such then, you hard to be sommonsed for any offence) .
    I suspect there's also a market saturation factor involved. In the eighties, (partly because I was doing huge miles) I exceeded the new(ish) driving brownie points limit. Twice.

    After several months of non loss of licence, (the first time) I queried a neighbourhood senior cop. He said not to worry too much, if the the then current points system was enforced some 35% of licence holders would be walking. Not politically tenable.
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    Somewhat draconian, but then again... different times, different circumstances, different laws. (Wouldn't be at all surprised if it made as little sense back then as the current road code does today.)
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    With an attitude displayed in your childish name calling as below, you and any organisation you claim to represent will always struggle to have any credibility in decision making.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I recall a few being disqualified for drink driving. Not much else. I suspect that the snakes used a fair bit of discretion. And , realistically, there were very few snakes on the open road then .

    I suspect part of the rationale behind the apparent relaxation of penalties between then and now would have been that the harsh penalties actually didn't work, because, being harsh, the snakes were reluctant to summons on that charge (there were no 'tickets' as such then, you hard to be sommonsed for any offence) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by red mermaid View Post
    With an attitude displayed in your childish name calling as below, you and any organisation you claim to represent will always struggle to have any credibility in decision making.
    Yes officer.....

    BTW snakes was the name used bay many members of the community for the Ministry of Transport traffic enforcement arm (commonly known as MoT officers) and the first time I recall hearing the term as a youth was from the mouth of a POLICE officer. So go get over yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red mermaid View Post
    With an attitude displayed in your childish name calling as below, you and any organisation you claim to represent will always struggle to have any credibility in decision making.
    Ya what??
    Are you Spudchucka reincarnated or summat?

    You are a tad sensitive, aren't you? As JM says, get over yourself. They (HP) hav been known colloquially as snakes since long before Adam was a cowwboy.....
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    Any chance you have a scanner and could share the Road Code with us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by red mermaid View Post
    With an attitude displayed in your childish name calling as below, you and any organisation you claim to represent will always struggle to have any credibility in decision making.
    Hell just caught the name, a bit pot kettle isn't it

    Mermaid = C*nt with scales so a snake with a speciality CVIU hey.....
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