Give way rule to change

[kwaka_crasher]

We've just introduced hook turns for cyclists.

[Dim]

We've just introduced hook turns for cyclists.

How does this work with the give way to the right rule? Cars turning right have to give way to the cyclists so they can preform the first part of the hook turn (going across and stopping in front of the traffic thats about to go in the direction intended to be traveled) while the cars turning left are trying to give way to the cars turning right, but cant go first because they'd run over the cyclist? Or does the cyclist just get squished and everyone goes home happy (except for the cyclist)?

[avgas]

Typical. Now that I decide to sell the bike they're finally gonna make the roads safer. Timing or what?

Sorry man - it was on the list........

[avgas]

Having come from the *proper* system the timing of traffic lights fixes this problem. Or if its really an issue the hook turn (as is used in Victoria/Melbourne after the rules were changed) could be introduced, then again best not to confuse you guys too much :P http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...orTourists.htm

Come on call it what it is - "Tram dodging" was laughed at in NSW :P

[MSTRS:Me]

I'm with those that think the current rule is a good one. The only situation that it doesn't work well is at the likes of supermarket carpark entry/exits. Most don't have give way signs for the traffic leaving, so the guy turning right to enter has to wait for the guy turning right to leave. That always struck me as stupid (blocks the through lane)

[Ixion]

If you're turning right give way to everyone. Give way to anyone approaching from your right. Otherwise you have the right of way.

WHich is so much simpler than f you're turning left give way to everyone. Give way to anyone approaching from your right. Otherwise you have the right of way

[Ixion]

go up the INSidE? of cars about to turn left....?You wouldnt have room in welly!

What do you imagine they build footpaths for (auxiliary motorcycle lanes, as they should be called)

[Ixion]

It must be an age thing that means you and I at least can see the advantage of the present system.

All those that think it is NOT good have probably not thought of the advantages of it.

Think of it - now the right turning guy can make his turn with a minimum of delay - while the guy wanting to turn left can pull over out of the was near the kerb.

If they change it???hmm, lotsa probs.

Of course not living in a city means I could be blowing hot air outa my ass....

Actually, the proposed system works best in cities - prolly why Poms love it so, all from big cities. In a city, mostly right turning traffic will have it's own right hand turn lane, or at least a painted median. Which is not so bad. But out in the country, we do get country roads, small towns with a lot of traffic at times. And that traffic may be moving fast (100+ kph) . With no luxuries like special turning lanes or painted medians.

That's why the present system was introduced. Because there was a spate of very serious accidents, when a vehicle waiting in the centre of the road was cleaned up by through traffic. I recall one of them, the turning vehicle, a vehicle coming toward him, and a vehicle coming from behind him ALL got totalled,several died.

[Badjelly]

I have expressed my views on this subject before, at great length and in the face of considerable opposition. I strongly support having vehicles turning right from the terminating road at a T intersection give way. I also support (but less strongly) having right turning vehicles giving way to the left-turning vehicles. I am resigned to the fact that I will never convince Ixion.

To quote the captain from the Hunting of the Snark, "Now you have stated the whole of your case, more debate would be simply absurd." We need a poll:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...rsection-rules

[neels]

If nothing else, it removes the uncertainty that exists at the moment. A left turning driver gives way to a right turning driver, unless there is straight through traffic in which case the right turning driver gives way to the straight traffic etc etc. Or the driver turning right into a road gives way to the driver turning right out of the same road unless there is straight through traffic etc etc.

At least with the rule change the right turning driver gives way to the straight through and other turning traffic so removes the judgement call about what the straight through traffic is doing.

[Ixion]

I am resigned to the fact that I will never convince Ixion.

If we at present had a "right turning traffic gives way" rule, I'd be equally opposed to changing it.

Why change what isn't broken. If someone argues that they are too stupid, obstinate, or lazy to undersatnd and implement the present rule, changing the rule won't help. They'll be too lazy, obstinate or stupid to understand and implent the new rule.

And the proposed rules are considerably more complex than the present ones.

[Badjelly]

And the proposed rules are considerably more complex than the present ones.

Yes, but I expect that people will understand and follow them more consistently. Lack of complexity is a good thing in a road rule, but it's not the only thing.

[Ixion]

If they cannot, or will not, follow the present rules, why do you suppose they will follow new ones? Lead a horse to water and all that.

[avgas]

Yes, but I expect that people will understand and follow them more consistently. Lack of complexity is a good thing in a road rule, but it's not the only thing.

No offence but the old rule actually not that difficult. Many years ago when I was a learner someone said something wise to me.
Stop > Give way > Danger
and
Give way to everything going straight through and on your right.

Now at an intersection - as described below, both cars have to give way to each other, however 1 is in real danger of being hit in the rear and going into oncoming traffic. There for the car turning right has priority to get out of the way first. Worst case scenario the car turning left with be rear-ended and sent down the road.

This also clears up the fact that the guy turning right may or may not have their indicator on by accident. Which means everyone should give way to them as the assumption is they 'may be' going straight.

[BoristheBiter]

I can't see what is wrong with the system as it stands now. if you don't know the give way rules you shouldn't have a licence and changing them will make no differance.
If you want to drive like the rest of the world then we should change it to driving on the right side of the road.
The road rules are fucked up but dicks who don't know how to drive in the first place and they should get these off the road so we can ride in peace.