Please please SLOW down

[justsomeguy]

Suppose that's one way to do it. Compete for last place.

With me I'm naturally talented.

[Skyryder]

Piss off !!!!

On group rides I usually come last. You can find yourself some other place/position. Thank you very much.

Who said I was talking about me.


Skyryder

[Sheep Dags]

yep i think everyone's learnt their lesson from today... and thanks guys for the advice. I'm sure it will be taken on board. these guys probably felt pretty stink as soon as they fucked up, but it's good if you can give them helpful advice that they can learn from. - that's what Kiwibiker is great for anyways

[Brian d marge]

Get some air time ....lifes fun playing in the Dirt......find out what life is all about when you have it PINNED to the stop ......and your arse is going past your ears ..... and 2 laps later you feel like you have just been very passionate with a mountain gorrilla
What 2 expensive ...try VMX on a old XL 250 ...500 dollars ......want to dive in front of you mate then ROOST him ...( wait till you see a patch of moo moo poo )
Then take it from me ,....that ride to work monday morning is taken REAL slow ....and you Really dont mind being last .....as on sat YOU GET TO ROOST the #$&%'&'..... again HAAAARRRR HAAAARRRR...

Really IS the dogs ...ummm whart do you call em ,,,,,,

On a serious note ...just potter ...if you want to get the heart pumping go and play in the dirt .....( an 85 CR is cheap and is elegible for VMX and WILL make you learn about handling a bike

Stephen

[justsomeguy]

Who said I was talking about me.


Skyryder

That wasn't directed at you - it was directed to anyone who agreed with your post.

[FROSTY:Me]

Jeysus whats with all this SLOW DOWN shite??
Lets all ride within our limits or explore our limits in an apropriate place is more the point.!!!!!!!!!!
Speed doesn't kill --Its the FUCKEN SUDDEN STOP THAT DOES
Get my point?? Prolly not cos ive been speiling it for too friggin long.
Who knows the lockup point of their brakes in the dry,in the wet? In gravel??
Who Knows when their tyres are at the limit of grip -or even close.
Who Knows what to do if they slide?
How many folks here even bother trying to find out?
Am I pissed off yea I sure as fuck am--Why --cos I predicted some young fella would end up dead and I desperatetely so godamb desperately wanted to be proven wrong

[justsomeguy]

Jeysus whats with all this SLOW DOWN shite??
Lets all ride within our limits or explore our limits in an apropriate place is more the point.!!!!!!!!!!
Speed doesn't kill --Its the FUCKEN SUDDEN STOP THAT DOES
Get my point?? Prolly not cos ive been speiling it for too friggin long.
Who knows the lockup point of their brakes in the dry,in the wet? In gravel??
Who Knows when their tyres are at the limit of grip -or even close.
Who Knows what to do if they slide?
How many folks here even bother trying to find out?
Am I pissed off yea I sure as fuck am--Why --cos I predicted some young fella would end up dead and I desperatetely so godamb desperately wanted to be proven wrong

You can take a horse to water but you can't..........

Dogs tails............

Young guys........

Somethings never change Frosty.

[Sensei]

Speed & bikes go hand in hand sorry to say .We all know this . some more so than others . The road has no friends, but when treated right you can make it yours / " If it feel wrong then it is " mistakes happen when you don't respect this feeling its there for a reason Learn it well !!!!!!!

[Wolf]

setting a limit to the ride wont slow people down, people will still go around 45kmph corners at 100kmph and the newbies will do likewise, I think we need to grow our minds not our egos.

True. The speed limit or how much in excess of it is not the only problem. People need to be aware of their own abilities and their bike's capabilities - I have taken sharp corners faster on my old TS125 than I would on the LS400 - the reason being I found the TS a lot more manoeuvrable. I used to scrape the pegs without worry on the TS (which is a Road/Trail, FFS, not a racer) and I will not bring myself to so on the LS because it does not handle the same. The TS was built to manoeuvre, the LS is built to "Cruise", Duc 996s and similar are built to corner at high speeds.

I can well see a person who is not aware of his/her bike's limitations (or his/her own limitations) attempting to follow someone with more experience and a race-style bike through a corner at dangerous speeds. I can see it happening not out of "testosterone" or ego, but out of a basic misunderstanding of the differences in the bikes. I would not expect a GN250 (capable of 100km/h) to take a corner at the same speed as the Blackbird or a Duc or any other "race" bike - fuck, I wouldn't try to corner like that on the LS400 - but there are those who would just be following the pack, riding at a nice "safe" 100km/h, taking their cues from the leaders and would blindly commit to a corner too fast for their skills or their bike or both to handle.

[Ixion]

Jeysus whats with all this SLOW DOWN shite??
Lets all ride within our limits or explore our limits in an apropriate place is more the point.!!!!!!!!!!
Speed doesn't kill --Its the FUCKEN SUDDEN STOP THAT DOES
Get my point?? Prolly not cos ive been speiling it for too friggin long.
Who knows the lockup point of their brakes in the dry,in the wet? In gravel??
Who Knows when their tyres are at the limit of grip -or even close.
Who Knows what to do if they slide?
How many folks here even bother trying to find out?
Am I pissed off yea I sure as fuck am--Why --cos I predicted some young fella would end up dead and I desperatetely so godamb desperately wanted to be proven wrong

Well, I'll agree that "slow down": isn't quite the right term, because (as I've argued before) usually it's not excess speed in a straight line that is the problem Even for a novice 120+kph on a clear straight road is hardly likely to be a problem. But I don't know a simple phrase that conveys the "take it easier, take fewer risks, allow more time for overtaking, take the corners slower etc etc " that is needed. Maybe COOL DOWN.

But I think that "slow down" captures the essence of it

As for riding within limits - that's the whole problem isn't it, because a novice doesn't *know* their limits. And sometime the way they find them out is by crashing - or worse.

Take a young guy, full of testosterone and adrenalin and invincibility, add ignorance of limits, add inexperience in control skills to get out trouble when it comes, add a bunch of other riders with bigger bikes and better skills . Result is crashs. Or worse.

I don't know the answer, but I do think the motorcycling community a a whole has to find one, before the politicians and police find one for us.

[FROSTY:Me]

Its actually pretty barn simple---rider training !!!!!
Im gonna sound like an old record here but ....
The road -as in the open road isn't the place to explore braking limits -maximum lean angle -what happens if I stuff it up.
A closed circuit is be it a race track or be it a bloody huge carpark or airfeild.
Welll thats my opinion anyhoo

[gav]

Exactly its not the speed, its the lack of ability and skills, you young guys need to go do some rider training. Personally I couldnt give a toss whether you wipe out, but think how you'd feel if someone ran into you, when you were zipping around a corner on your bike or in your car? Go and get your shit together, and stay off the bloody roads!!!

[Waylander]

Ok I'm probably gonna get heaps of bad rep and shit for saying this but its something I think needs to be said and I wont be posting for a while anyway.


Some of you people are being overly sensitive. A month ago no one would have been getting very serious about a "minor" wreck. Everyone would have joked and laughed and told the guy that ya they learned something this time. But lately all this stuff is just ridiculas. So a few new riders went down this weekend. Nothing major though it could have been. Yea they were lucky but I can tell you chances are they know what they did wrong and they wont do it again. They don't need all the people on here pointing out every single little fuck up they did. Wrecks are a matter of life for bikers they are probably gonna happen. Even for experianced riders. All this is something I never expected from this site. If a person has a wreck and can get up and laugh about it later good on them as long as they learn something from it. They know they fucked up they don't need a half a dozen people they have never met yelling at them and stuff. Losing Flyin sucks and I didn't even know him but come on guys were bikers. What makes us better than cagers is that we suport each other not bitch and moan over the mistakes of others and yell at them. I'll see yall again when my bike works again.