L-Plate Rider
Two bikes travelling quite close together, very similar speed.
No other vehicles within range.
Modus operandi appears to be: get a reading, no need to be specific about which bike the speed reading relates to, officer makes a visual assessment that the two bikes were travelling at the same speed, issues two tickets. Thank you lads!
Has anyone dealt with a similar situation?
T.
Rider Coach
Can't say I have.....Originally Posted by Tony F
Last time two of my mates were traveling together, and a cop put on his lights.... One pulled over, and the other kept going.
Mate caught up with us at breakfast with the silliest grin on his face....
Mates eh...
Was a few years ago now......
Night rider
I believe the cops can legally issue group tickets, as in this case, if they have observed the 2 or more vehicles long enough to ascertain that they are travelling as a group.
Time to ride
Double shot!!
I believe you are correct. Quite likely the cop can simply mail the other riders the ticket in the post too.
Steve
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What sort of parameters define "very similar speed" are we talking both doing 107-113kmh or both doing 130-135kmh?
Unless it was obvious that one of them could possibly not have been breaking the speed limit, and they were infact both doing a similar speed which is without doubt in excess of the speed limit, then it's a fair cop.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Forum whore
No way, they can't do that. The radar reading can only apply to one vehicle.
It's not sufficient to guess which one. If they can't tell they have to let you go. Fight it, you'll win hands down.
Forum whore
Oh don't you just love the views of the misinformed........
Double shot!!
Um no mate you're wrong.
The cops can use any tool at their disposal to estimate your speed, and if they can make a concise and expert description to the judge of your apparrently illegal activities on the road - then they will do so, and if you think you can argue the technical point with the judge on that then go hard.
It might be different if the microwave radar was some kilometers from you, and it was the only source of information to the informant. Seriously, if they get a good lock on you with their Mark-IV Eyeball they don't even need to use the microwave to estimate your speed and then have that stand up in court.
Steve
"I am a licenced motorcycle instructor, I agree with dangerousbastard, no point in repeating what he said."
"read what Steve says. He's right."
"What Steve said pretty much summed it up."
"I did axactly as you said and it worked...!!"
"Wow, Great advise there DB."
WTB: Hyosung bikes or going or not.
Forum whore
Yes you can be given a ticket for travelling as a group. No use trying to fight it "They have a zero tolerance to speed" thats what the letter said . Just pay up be cheaper than trying to fight them cos they don't do it to the groups of cars type of approach. However if your in a group make sure only one makes the sacrifice and pulls over . Works for us anyway.
Forum whore
A Police officer is actually able to issue a ticket based on a personal estimate of your speed, without any reference to speed detection equipment at all. It is all about what he/she is seeing in front of them. It has to be an offence notice, not an infringement notice. That means it is in the hands of the the JPs at the local court as to the amount of credence they put on the word of the Police officer. If the cop is fresh from the college the JPs are unlikely to go with what he has said, but if the cop is 20 years in the job with a lot of that time in traffic enforcement, with extensive speed detection experience, the JPs just might go with it.
The primary evidence in any speed case is the observations of the officer. The evidence provided by the detection equipment is secondary to that observation. If a group of riders is apparently travelling along at the same speed (as happens quite a lot) and one is checked at a certain speed, the officer issues the ticket and leaves it to the JPs to decide if it gets as far as a court.
On a tangent, if you care to look at what you have been charged with, it is "Exceeding **km/h", with ** being whatever the speed limit is. For example, someone is checked at 72 in a 50. They defend the ticket because they are adamant they were doing no more then 60. That is like pleading guilty, as the charge is exceeding 50km/h, and 60 is accepting that you exceeded 50. Plead guilty and save yourself legal fees and court costs.
Don't forget that any ticket is just an allegation by the officer who issues it that you broke the rules. It is not final judgement. If you just go and pay you are accepting guilt. If you wish to duspute it, there is a process by which to do so. Grizzling about it on KB isn't going to undo the ticket, or the prosecution.
Exercise your right to defend the ticket or accept your fate, your call.
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Was it good for you?
Hey, the OP knows he's screwed, he's just looking for hope.
All you guys are just bringing him down.
One hell of a ride.
I know of two riders who were in this situation.
One was ticketed, took it to court where the rider who was not ticketed got up and said 'it was not him it was me'.
Case was thrown out.
I bet that loophole will close or has already been so.
The instructions are simple...
By issuing BOTH a ticket, your scenario becomes void...
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Along for the ride...
Gheez is n't that unconstitutional? Innocent until proven guilty and all that? Who is to say that One bike wasn't being passed by the others at the time the reading was taken? and how does a cop adjudge teh group to have been riding together for "long enough" when he is itting at tehside of the road? Isuppose if he is in a car following them, maybe...
And the group as a whole must be travelling quite quickly, becasue if one of them is called at 111km/hr, surely the others can argue that that bike specifically went over and then slopwed doen to the rest of the groups average speed of 105km/hr....
In fact the group could argue that a the point the rider swas trapped, he had been accelerating and braking to create an average speed of 100km/hr...
Thats a shocker. If I am to be fined, I want the cops to show ME evidence of ME speeding.
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