Slower than Ixion
Originally Posted by The Good Doctor
Welcome to the site.
Have you got you accessories catelogue? No, send a pm to Lynda, you may lend you her dog-eared-well-used copy. Then you too can insure you're adaquately stocked up on carbon fibre and Ducati approved underwear.
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Hi The Good Doctor - welcome to the KB gargre. Isn't it a wonderful thing?
As GL says, any time you want help with Ducati accessories, I'm your man (as it were). I'm currently starting to compile the list for my next trip to Melbourne (yeah yeah, it's not till October, but a girl's got to plan y'know....)
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But the real disasters in life begin when you get what you want.
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Hi The Good Doctor - welcome to the KB gargre. Isn't it a wonderful thing?
As GL says, any time you want help with Ducati accessories, I'm your man (as it were). I'm currently starting to compile the list for my next trip to Melbourne (yeah yeah, it's not till October, but a girl's got to plan y'know....)
two suit cases in one make up make up remover
french tips nail glue nail pollish lip balm
other case swim wear maybe two
both cases r most empty on return
cases are over wait full of all parts from ausi for bike to go faster or just go
Hardcore Biker
Are you still drinking from last nite, or have you just started?two suit cases in one make up make up remover
french tips nail glue nail pollish lip balm
other case swim wear maybe two
both cases r most empty on return
cases are over wait full of all parts from ausi for bike to go faster or just go
That's some pretty illegiable shit man!!
Boredom, the root of all evil!
bikeless
Are you still drinking from last nite, or have you just started?
That's some pretty illegiable shit man!!
Decipherd.
That should help a little bit ay Maximus?
Two suit cases in one make up and make up remover,
french tips, nail glue, nail pollish, lip balm, ect...
In the other case swim wear, maybe two suit cases
Both cases are mostly empty when leaving, and on return
cases are over weight. Becouse they are full of all parts from aussie for bike to go faster, or just go.
Sever
Now and forever
you're just another lost soul about to be mine again
see her, you'll never free her
you must surrender it all
And give life to me again
Disturbed - Inside the Fire
Hardcore Biker
Decipherd.
That should help a little bit ay Maximus?
Cheers mate, twas all a bit much for a very jaded "max" to decipher all on his own
Boredom, the root of all evil!
L-Plate Rider
Ducati started just fine
OK, the bump start thing! Don't go there...have u any idea how hard it is to bump a SV650 Twin.... both me and the AA guy ran hard out down the street with it and still won't start.... managed to get a 3rd guy then finally got it going.
I just did the 'Damsel in distress' and the 'I'm just going to the money machine for cash' routine, and a nice little man from Motorad turned up with a little portable battery thingy...
He didn't seem very confident about getting it started.... muttered about security systems and brake lights taking so much power that the electrics would take out the battery again and all that stuff... but I talked him into it... hey I like trains, but when faced with a choice... Hmmmm, Ducati.... train.... Ducati.... train... Well, what choice!
So, 1 removed seat, and lifted petrol tank afterwards, as well as staring down all the guys walking past, looking at us like we were either stealing the bike, or crazy, or both..... I was away!
So have developed a foolproof routine for not doing it again... but I'm not going to publish it here... I might be able to patent it!
I'm glad to have started off a good train of discussion though, after all, who ever thought of making a bike that made it so easy to leave the park lights on anyway!
Look Ma, no hands hehehe
Welcome "The Good Doctor" to the site.
Glad yopu got your baby going again...
Ummm so where is "The Bad Doctor"...lol.....
Forum whore
More weight is thus lent to my hobby horse about poxy manufacturers leaving off the kickstarter. Still can't get used to not having one. Blurdy silly bit of cost saving.
Forum whore
No it's not...More weight is thus lent to my hobby horse about poxy manufacturers leaving off the kickstarter. Still can't get used to not having one. Blurdy silly bit of cost saving.
It's all fine and splendid on and old bike but you need to be very careful bump starting or kick starting a modern bike with ECU / EFI / ASSORTED CRAP and stuff. One bad spike in the electrical system and kablooie...
Add in short stroke engines with high compression and little to no flywheels and they are not easy to start.
Besides... Many modern (cheap) alternators require some juice in the battery to excite the coils to produce some electrickery.
Cheers
Forum whore
Who would of thought of making a bike WITH parklights that can be left ON when parked an then giving it such a crappy little battery that it goes flat if you do leave them on.... Thats silly....
Oh well.... The Guzzi has a truck sized battery (no seriously it is bigger than the one in my car) and no auto park lights. (you have to turn on 2 switches)
Forum whore
But in most cases the "flat" battery is not completely flat. It has dropped to the point where it cannot provide enough voltage to the starter to turn the engine. Meanwhile the load of the starter reduces the voltage available below the point where the ignition system can provide a decent spark.
Remove the starter motor load (by kickstart or bump) and there is plenty of power left in the battery to provide ignition in the usual way.
Unless you have a magneto (come back Lucas , all is forgiven) or a [shudder] magdyno, kicking or bumping *won't* start you if the battery is dead flat. You still need enough juice in the battery to power the ignition and fuel systems. But, usually there is enough for that if the massive drain of the starter is removed.
You won't get a "massive spike" . How could you ? Where is the "massive spike" going to be generated. And if it were, the battery is still in circuit providing the voltage sink.The only way you could get that would be trying to start with the battery removed completely from the circuit (or , perhaps in theory, so dead flat that it was effectively an open circuit).
Short stroke engines, high compression etc etc yeah yeah. Modern bikes are actually easier to kick than the old big singles. You're only ever pushing one cylinder at a time past TDC compression.
Nope. Give me a kickstarter please Mr Manufacturer. Even if I don't often use it
Forum whore
Big singles are easy to kick over if you learn how to use the flywheel to help and the decompressor (valve lifter). Granted that as the compression ratios went up in the late 50's and 60's bikes became harder to start (Norton Commandos with Combat option particularly come to mind)
Modern 4 pot bikes are (in theory) easier but not always, V twins can be a bugger.. The proper engineering of the kickstart mechanisim and gearing is essential... But you know that..
As for massive spikes.. Wot I mean is, if the battery is flat the residual voltage once the ignition is turned on is very low. If the regulation of the output of the alternator is not very good (often the case with bikes) and the ECU does not have enough protection it is easy to fritz the thing. The battery cannot perform one of it's functions which is smoothing the supply. I have seen ECU's blown up by push starts and jump starts. Granted, later ones are better protected but it happens.
Consider the market for a 620 Monster.... First timers, first 'big' bike people, women. None of these people want kick starters and indeed I doubt if 99% of them could use them if required. Look at the number of people that cannot (read will not) use a manual transmission in a car in the USA and Japan.
But hey... Who cares... My old shit box starts most of the time and I'm fat enough to push start if required.
Obey the hosebeast
My bike is practically impossible to push start on my own without the assistance of a slope of some kind.
It's hard work for one helper, better with two.
Forum whore
Correct, if the battery is sufficiently low, it's resistance may rise to the point where it no longer functions as a voltage regulator. Hence my comments that pushing/kicking wouldn't work if the battery was completely flat. But mostly it's not - it's the "urrgg urrggg urrgggggggghhhh click urrrggghhhhh click click" syndrome. In that case, the battery voltage without the starter load will almost certainly be adequate to provide safe starting so long as you can turn the motor without the starter load. If the battery is so flat that it doesn't provide a reasonable light from the headlamp, then it's probably too flat for anything, and only a jump start or charging the battery will work.
Jump starting off another battery is perfectly safe so long as it's done correctly. After all, whats the difference between taking a fully charged battery out of another bike and putting it in yours and conecting it with cables? There are an awful lot of old wives tales about jump starting, but I've jumped just about everything on the market without problems (including a Ferrari !)
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