Who's in the wrong?

**bogan** · 15th April 2010, 18:30

Originally Posted by NinjaNanna

simple maths

76km/hr = 21.1m/sec ( means 100m equates to a 4.74 sec gap)
50km/hr = 13.9m/sec ( means 100m equates to a 7.19 sec gap)

a 7sec gap would be fine to pull into, a 4.74 sec gap is not - the driver could not know that the gap would be reduced by a speeding driver, also isn't 100m the "clear" distance provided for in law.

Riders fault.

4secs is ample time if you're pulling into the other lane, and 100m is for passing into oncoming traffic (combined speed of 200kmhr) not intersections round town (combined speed of 50kmhr)

And from the other perspective, don't assume other vehicles aren't speeding and pull out, you'll get owned, and charged with failure to give way.

**rustic101** · 15th April 2010, 18:30

Originally Posted by FROSTY

and some bloody cager pulls out of a side street 100m up the road.

My first question is, What type of intersection was it? I.e was it a 'controlled intersection' e.g Give way, Stop etc. or?

The Bus, so far is a red hearing. It only contributed by acting as a Hazard. Initially the rider should have applied their Observation and Hazard Identification skills

**p.dath** · 15th April 2010, 18:42

One thing that has been overlooked is the cage driver who commenced pulling out would not have seen the rider until they rounded the corner. The cage driver had a maximum of 100m to make their choice.

Presumably the road was built for a standard of 50km/h, and hence why the side road was spaced that far away.

**The Stranger:Me** · 15th April 2010, 18:55

Technically.
The rider - if it can be established he was speeding.
If not, the car is gunna wear it.
Reality.
The "give way to biggest vehicle" rule applies.

**nothingflash** · 15th April 2010, 19:22

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Who's wrong in this situation ?

Anyone who thinks you're serious, surely.

**Smifffy** · 15th April 2010, 19:57

The point is that 5-0 can probably ticket both, and maybe the bus driver too, they should probably pat down the passengers on the bus too, just in case they're carrying, or holding, or woteva the current phrase is.

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**Hitcher** · 15th April 2010, 20:48

Personally, I blame the Labour Government.

**NinjaNanna** · 16th April 2010, 08:55

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Personally, I blame the Labour Government.

I blame the National Government - they should have fixed it by now

**The Stranger:Me** · 16th April 2010, 09:26

Originally Posted by NinjaNanna

I blame the National Government - they should have fixed it by now

Come on, it takes a while to undo 9 years of fuck ups.

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th April 2010, 11:53

nope its everybodys fault but the bikers.

**onearmedbandit** · 16th April 2010, 12:25

If a motorcyclist falls over in a forest, and no one else is there, is it the trees fault?

**Maha** · 16th April 2010, 12:35

Originally Posted by FROSTY

You're blasting along a suburban street on your yamasukida 698. Its a lovely day and you're wearing all the right gear. reflective vest n all.
yea its sighnposted at 50km/h but you're safe and comfortable at the 76 you're riding at. Heck the yamasukida 698 has the best brakes in the world anyway.
Round a bus stopped letting off passengers and some bloody cager pulls out of a side street 100m up the road.
You grab the anchors right on a tar snake and smack into the side of the cage.
Who's wrong in this situation ?

26 kms over the posted speed limit? tut tut....

Um anyway, you are in the wrong for failing to stop.