Police killing us again!

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mr Tooman says

"The officer activated his lights and sirens and moved his vehicle to the left intending to carry out a turning manoeuvre to follow the speeding vehicle, partway through this Mr Brown has come over the brow of a hill and encountered the patrol car partway across his lane and collided with it," Mr Tooman said.

Now, if you are trampiong along, a bit over the limit, and you hear sirens close near, what do you do? Well, me, and I think most folk, first check mirrors and if there's nothing there (and more so if the siren seems to come from up ahead), slow down and put on an innocent expression. Would a rider really have gone fanging over the hill , with a siren wailing on the other side?

[Robert Taylor]

Not so mate, people are just really pissed off with this type of accident that seems to be recurring. A lot are highly suspicious of the worth and integrity of our current police force. Personally I don't blame them as their (so called police) copybook has become well blotted over recent years with many very public corruption (remember Clint and his mates?) and incompetence issues.
I think most would like the Police/Pollies to take a review of themselves and above all, would like to be able to brow a hill or take a bend (car or motorcycle) without the risk of a police car sitting in the middle of the road.

No-one denies they need to clean their act up in certain areas and the evidence may point to the police car being as you said. But this thread is also an insight into how nasty people can be, thats one of the regretable reactions.
Ive also also had a good relationship with the police, have only had traffic infringements and have never tried to intimidate them. On most occassions if you treat people with respect you usually get respect back

[idleidolidyll]

when people advocate beating others etc; it's impossible to respect them

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A thought occurs.

mr Tooman says



Now, if you are trampiong along, a bit over the limit, and you hear sirens close near, what do you do? Well, me, and I think most folk, first check mirrors and if there's nothing there (and more so if the siren seems to come from up ahead), slow down and put on an innocent expression. Would a rider really have gone fanging over the hill , with a siren wailing on the other side?

I can't see much in my mirrors and only hear the sirens when they are usually along side me.

[Robert Taylor]

replying to Bobby Taylors last post:

actually it's just debate

the crux of the debate, ignoring the side issues and name calling, is that bikers are cynical in general about the cops and probably for good reason.

what we want to see is cops who treat other cops the same as they treat us, who obey and respect the law and who don't lie or mislead; unfortunately too many of us have seen that the prevailing attitude of most cops is that motorcyclists always speed, whenever one crashes it was "due to excessive speed" but when they have done something incredibly stupid, illegal or otherwise wrong; they seem to hold themselves to a lower standard than they hold the general motoring public.

I'm not actually a cynic, I'm a realist through experience many times over

I say again, when Ive been pulled over for speeding on motorcycles Ive accepted my fate ( because on all occassions I was flipping guilty! ) and was treated on each and every occasion with total civility BECAUSE I WAS TOTALLY CIVIL. I havent detected any difference in attitude when Ive been pulled over for speeding convictions in cars.
If your approach to them mirrors the aggressive nature of many of the posts you have put up then I can well understand the book being thrown at you. Human nature, Id do the same if I was a policeman.

[Mr Merde]

....... On most occassions if you treat people with respect you usually get respect back

Something I havent seen a lot of in this thread or in this forum.

[Smifffy]

No-one denies they need to clean their act up in certain areas and the evidence may point to the police car being as you said. But this thread is also an insight into how nasty people can be, thats one of the regretable reactions.
Ive also also had a good relationship with the police, have only had traffic infringements and have never tried to intimidate them. On most occassions if you treat people with respect you usually get respect back

On most occasions yes. On this occasion what chance did Paul have?

People are angry, and it stems from empathy, if you imagine yourself in the role of the motorcyclcist, whether you are doing 70 km/h or 127 km/h, on that day, do you really think it would matter if you crested the hill and there was a blue & white in the middle of a 3 point turn?

If you were in your cage, and you were doing a 3 point turn in that location, and another road user died, do you think that you would be able to avoid responsibility by talking about a speeding ute that you didn't even know the colour of? Do you think you would avoid prosecution?

[marty]

I am aware of the 2 second rule...It replaced the 'old' method of 1 car length/10mph.
But never heard of 4 metres /100kph.
4m is about the length of an average car.
How would anyone stop in that distance?

It's 4m/10kmh, to a max of 70kmh. You are then legally allowed to follow at 28m at any speed above that.

[idleidolidyll]

I say again, when Ive been pulled over for speeding on motorcycles Ive accepted my fate ( because on all occassions I was flipping guilty! ) and was treated on each and every occasion with total civility BECAUSE I WAS TOTALLY CIVIL. I havent detected any difference in attitude when Ive been pulled over for speeding convictions in cars.
If your approach to them mirrors the aggressive nature of many of the posts you have put up then I can well understand the book being thrown at you. Human nature, Id do the same if I was a policeman.

assumptions assumptions: oh dear how sad

when a cop pulls you over and you were not speeding or doing anything illegal; how should you act?

I asked why? the COP was the one who didn't act with respect

don't project your silly theory onto me bobby; you are bereft of facts

[Smifffy]

It's 4m/10kmh, to a max of 70kmh. You are then legally allowed to follow at 28m at any speed above that.

Given that there are 20 demerit points at stake (and a whole lot more at stake if you buy into the reason fro the rule). How exactly is this 28m determined?

[Mr Merde]

Given that there are 20 demerit points at stake (and a whole lot more at stake if you buy into the reason fro the rule). How exactly is this 28m determined?

In all cases, by guestimate. Then once formed it is a matter of who's op[inion carries more weight in court.

Hint-- It wont be yours

[Robert Taylor]

when people advocate beating others etc; it's impossible to respect them

Maybe a few more beatings would have helped...............

[sidecar bob]

Now, if you are trampiong along, a bit over the limit, and you hear sirens close near, what do you do? Well, me, and I think most folk, first check mirrors and if there's nothing there (and more so if the siren seems to come from up ahead), slow down and put on an innocent expression. Would a rider really have gone fanging over the hill , with a siren wailing on the other side?

Oh dear, have you ever actually ridden a motorbike?
So apparently inside a decent helmet doing at least 100kmh on a four cylnder bike with a loudish pipe you can hear a police siren facing the other way at least 200metres away on the other side of a hill?

[riffer]

Given that there are 20 demerit points at stake (and a whole lot more at stake if you buy into the reason fro the rule). How exactly is this 28m determined?

At 100 km/hr you are travelling at 27 metres per second. Pick a point. See the vehicle in front of you. Count one second. Add a tenth of a second more. That's 28metres. You should not pass that point before then. Best to do "One-elephant-two-elephant" for good measure. That would be anywhere between 40 and 60 metres to be sure, to be sure.

[miloking]

Oh dear, have you ever actually ridden a motorbike?
So apparently inside a decent helmet doing at least 100kmh on a four cylnder bike with a loudish pipe you can hear a police siren facing the other way at least 200metres away on the other side of a hill?

And dont forget that every experienced biker that has some respect for his own hearing uses earplugs!

Of course not sure if Mr.Brown was wearing them or not on that fateful afternoon but if he was Mr.Tooman and his dumbass minion have lost another excuse to get them off the hook!