National Radio interviews Tooman and BRONZ re: fatal biker accident

[Ixion]

Not necessarily. I know , from experience . that an impact at as low as around 30kph will throw a rider many metres. At least 10, maybe. It is quite surprising how far you fly , even at low speeds.

And in this case, the rider was heading downhill, and under heavy braking. He will have been flung from the bike with a very flat tractory. So, when he landed he will still have had a degree of forward momentum. His body may have slid quite a way, or rolled.

[Berries]

this sort of statement is an example of why this forum seems unable to hold an informed intelligent conversation - I can certainly spin some bullshit if this is what you are referring to, but in this thread out of respect to the deceased I have wanted to contribute to the actual lessons that may be learned.

Yes I do ride, along with many others, at a pace where I can hopefully stop or at least have only a slow speed impact should I come round a corner or over a crest in a hill and find something in my lane. That does not mean I take every corner and crest of a hill at 30km, rather I might back of to 95km.

There you go then, not sure why my post upset you as you just proved my point. What I was implying is that people do not ride/drive over crests and around corners at a speed where they can stop in the distance visible ahead, that would entail people dropping to sub 50km/h speeds on the open road, something I have never seen happen. As for lessons learned from this tragedy, for whom ? Seems to me that if the cop hadn't turned where he did then everyone would have got home ok. All the rest is subjecture and will probably remain that way.

[R-Soul]

Only 'if' the marks are directly after the drop in the road...otherwise the suspension would be quite well loaded up and traction good.

Sure - although the whole thing was about the biker coming over the crest of a hill , and not not having enough time to stop. so I presumed that the cop would be pulling out pretty close to the elevation change. But it may be further I guess...
It could also have been half braking under reduced traction, and half braking under norml traction (although then it would be braking through the transition).

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sure - although the whole thing was about the biker coming over the crest of a hill , and not not having enough time to stop. so I presumed that the cop would be pulling out pretty close to the elevation change. But it may be further I guess...
It could also have been half braking under reduced traction, and half braking under norml traction (although then it would be braking through the transition).

Whatever it was...bad luck is at the top of the list. That and stupidity on the officers part.

[StoneY]

Well I reckon this threads done its dash

Bottom line, an innocent biker died as result of a stupid manouver that should never have occurred

[GOONR]

Whatever it was...bad luck is at the top of the list. That and stupidity on the officers part.

Personally I would reverse those.

[terbang]

- all I'm saying is that the cop car could have just as easily been any other stationary vehicle hidden over the brow of the hill, perhaps a broken down and immovable car/van/ute/truck or even a crashed motorcycle, and the rider would still be dead.
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What if, What if, What if... But it wasn't, it was a cop (someone who should know better) doing a U turn in an inappropriate place. Thats the reality of this incident and all the what if's in the world aren't going to change that. Dress it up how you like, but reality is, a stupid cop chose to do a stupid thing and as a result, killed a guy...