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    You'd need to know the fleet statistics.

    In NZ, around the late 1990s early 2000s , motorcycle numbers in NZ went in to massive slide. The fleet halved almost overnight.

    That had two effects. First, fewer bikes on the road, just arithmetic means fewer crashes. Secondly, those are still there are probably hardcore experienced riders. Less likely to come to grief

    I don't think Oz had this downturn.

    Then in NZ , it reversed ,and we got (and still have) a really steep increase in the fleet (still a LONG way to go to catch up to the 1980s though) . So, the scenario reverses. More bikes on the road, and a LOT of inexperienced (or rusty) riders. I don't know that OZ had that so much either. It's not just the effect on bikers themeselves that you have to think about either. If bikes are pretty rare on the road, drivers get out of the habit of expecting to see them, or look for them.

    So you can make the figures look like whatever you want just by picking your reference years, if you ignore fleet size
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
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    most of the bad riders are already dead?. Less harleys being sold?. just a couple of guesses
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    Should be shown here.

    Quote Originally Posted by yachtie10 View Post
    Bound to be a lot of reasons
    people will claim what suits there agenda

    personally I dont see it being statistically significant enough to make a song and dance about (im sure some will disagree)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    You'd need to know the fleet statistics.

    In NZ, around the late 1990s early 2000s , motorcycle numbers in NZ went in to massive slide. The fleet halved almost overnight.

    That had two effects. First, fewer bikes on the road, just arithmetic means fewer crashes. Secondly, those are still there are probably hardcore experienced riders. Less likely to come to grief

    I don't think Oz had this downturn.

    Then in NZ , it reversed ,and we got (and still have) a really steep increase in the fleet (still a LONG way to go to catch up to the 1980s though) . So, the scenario reverses. More bikes on the road, and a LOT of inexperienced (or rusty) riders. I don't know that OZ had that so much either. It's not just the effect on bikers themeselves that you have to think about either. If bikes are pretty rare on the road, drivers get out of the habit of expecting to see them, or look for them.

    So you can make the figures look like whatever you want just by picking your reference years, if you ignore fleet size
    As with most statistics, the answer is, "It depends." If they can isolate the applicable factors of km per rider deaths it may have more meaning. An overall downward trend over 5 - 10 years related to the fleet numbers, as Ixion says, would be something to investigate.

    One thing is for sure, there are far too many senseless deaths in NZ. A witness to that accident where the cop turned in front of the bike, reckoned the biker was speeding, to the point he thought when he heard the bike coming, "That guy's really moving!" So how much is the cop at fault for making a turn close to the brow of a hill, and how much where the biker is going way too fast over a blind brow on a country road? Food for thought...? A mate was killed when he came around a bend and ran into the back of a tractor. Otheres have come to grief hitting stock, so the road rule of being able to stop in half the visible distance was obviously not being followed? Apparently the rider didn't even have time to hit the brakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    .. One thing is for sure, there are far too many senseless deaths in NZ. A witness to that accident where the cop turned in front of the bike, reckoned the biker was speeding, to the point he thought when he heard the bike coming, "That guy's really moving!" So how much is the cop at fault for making a turn close to the brow of a hill, and how much where the biker is going way too fast over a blind brow on a country road? Food for thought...
    Hang about. That doesn't mean anything. Even assuming the old codger has ears so finely tuned that he can tell a bikes speed from it's sound (which i doubt), that would only show the speed on the stretch of road PRECEDING the hilltop. The far side of that hill, is a longish gently rising straightish stretch. A bike could well wind it up to a good speed along there, then slow down for the hill crest. Unless old codger reckons he can hear the sound of brakes as well !
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Hang about. That doesn't mean anything. Even assuming the old codger has ears so finely tuned that he can tell a bikes speed from it's sound (which i doubt), that would only show the speed on the stretch of road PRECEDING the hilltop. The far side of that hill, is a longish gently rising straightish stretch. A bike could well wind it up to a good speed along there, then slow down for the hill crest. Unless old codger reckons he can hear the sound of brakes as well !
    Granted, although you would be able to hear whether a bike was slowing down. I haven't seen exactly where it happened and not seen or heard all the details, either, but the fact that it did happen, along with the number of times on country roads that I've been glad I wasn't going any faster should make us very interested in getting the full story to this.
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    I ride that road every so often. By and large I'd normaly be pacing in the 120s along the clear stretches, back off for the hill tops (tis a bit annoying those hill crests). I doubt that anyone would pick up the difference in speed , it's just a roll off of the throttle. Most people , when they say they hear a bike going fast, what they really hear is the bike accelerating. Depending on the bike, it can be very misleading. A two stroke f'instance always sounds s if it's going faster than it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    The AA contacted you and wanted your opinion on motorcycling safety in Australia?? Did I miss something?
    Yeah they called me to.... didnt you get your phone call yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    I ride that road every so often. By and large I'd normaly be pacing in the 120s along the clear stretches, back off for the hill tops (tis a bit annoying those hill crests). I doubt that anyone would pick up the difference in speed , it's just a roll off of the throttle. Most people , when they say they hear a bike going fast, what they really hear is the bike accelerating. Depending on the bike, it can be very misleading. A two stroke f'instance always sounds s if it's going faster than it is.
    Two strokes always go faster...

    It was in the Waikato? Which road?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theblackstig View Post
    clever. unfortunately it's just the sort of message the target demographic won't pay the slightest bit of attention to......
    I worked on me! I will never go for track day on that race track!!!! Bus stop placed like that is just irresponsible....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Two strokes always go faster...

    It was in the Waikato? Which road?
    Wainranga or some such. begins with a W anyway, y can't miss it. Go down to old SH2, dwiddle along till you get to the coal bit, that leads into Falls Rd which is a very nice road, down there , turn left at the bottom , (or maybe right - I always get those two confused), and head toward TeKawhatta. You go over the bit of road in question, just after the next on the right (or left). Then you can wiggle around Tekawhatta (or have a nice cup of coffee at the nice cup of coffee place there), and carry on into Huntly , and ride past Motus place and annoy him . Then wobble through the back bits of Huntly and get onto SH22 and come back through Twocows.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
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    Time for a "I told you so" from everyone. Just after releasing their report on saying motorcycle deaths were trending down, the latest intra-year report has come out. The "AA" sent me a copy.

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/su...0422-tfvi.html

    RISING motorcycle deaths will be a big barrier to reaching ambitious road toll targets, according to Victoria's top traffic officer, as rider fatalities soar to record levels this year.

    The latest figures reveal that a quarter of the 99 deaths on Victorian roads this year have been motorcyclists, the equal highest since 1990 and the highest proportion of overall deaths in at least 20 years.

    The statistics have shocked police and hospitals, with The Alfred urging riders and car drivers to be more aware on the roads.

    Deputy Commissioner Ken Lay said the soaring toll was one of the biggest threats to achieving the state government target of 237 deaths a year by 2017.

    Mr Lay said road congestion, fuel prices and environmental concerns meant the number of registered motorcycles in Victoria had reached record levels, while the run of warm days this year meant motorcyclists had flocked to the roads.

    Another factor, he said, was that older people with disposable income but without the right skills were increasingly buying motorcycles. He warned that the motorcycle boom would only gather pace in coming years.

    ''We know there are more motorcyclists on the road, so we're going to see them in more crashes,'' he said. ''We also know that by making a very small mistake a motorcyclist can be killed because they have no protection.

    ''If we can't get on top of the motorcycle stuff, this may well be what threatens our 2017 target.''

    Mr Lay said motorcycle deaths - which stand at 24 this year compared with 13 this time last year - had soared recently, partly because many roads that motorcyclists liked to use, such as in the Yarra Ranges, were shut because of the bushfires.

    VicRoads figures show the number of motorcycles and scooters registered has grown 60,000 in the past seven years to 165,100. That number has grown 10,000 in the past nine months alone.

    The warning comes as Victoria launches Operation Yellow Flag/Black Flag, a campaign targeting motorcycle safety in the Yarra Ranges this weekend.

    Motorcycle Riders Association president Kerry Walton said more awareness campaigns were needed and that all riders needed advanced training.

    Speaking at The Alfred hospital yesterday, Dr Fred Mori said motorcyclist injuries were rising and would become worse in the future. He said riders risked horrific injuries if they or car drivers did not take care.

    ''My own message is for everyone to remember that we have to be responsible for each other,'' he said.

    Colin Roles knows about the importance of taking care on a motorcycle but also realises that even the most well-prepared rider can risk serious injury.

    In January, while driving through Henrietta in rural Tasmania, he hit a damp spot on the road at 100 km/h and was hit by an oncoming car.

    Despite wearing full protective gear, he sustained a crushed spinal cord, broken leg and a fractured hip and elbow, and may never walk again.

    Mr Roles, 51, said that if this could happen to an experienced rider like him, imagine what could happen to those who were not prepared or concentrating. ''Sometimes a lot of the idiots come unstuck,'' he said. ''But sometimes the good guys come unstuck too.''

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    I read somewhere that when NSW introduced much harder requirements for motorcycle licenses, some years ago, including periods of accredited training and stiffer tests (many said, to discourage people riding m/cycles), the accident and death rate among new riders showed a marked decline.
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    Looks like their fleet demogrpahics are following a few years behind NZ


    In January, while driving through Henrietta in rural Tasmania, he hit a damp spot on the road at 100 km/h and was hit by an oncoming car.
    WTF ? Hit a damp patch ???
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    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Henrietta had a damp spot? Slippery too.Stay away from Henrietta,specially if you ride a V twin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Looks like their fleet demogrpahics are following a few years behind NZ



    WTF ? Hit a damp patch ???
    Perhaps he is the master of understatement, and it was a tidal river flowing across the road, and he was hydroplaning?

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