Yes - However I would not bother calling *555, if his/her driving is that bad or dangerous call 111
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Yes - However I would not bother calling *555, if his/her driving is that bad or dangerous call 111
One hell of a ride.
Cool.
All of my dealings with the NZ Police have been cordial and polite and I have generally received lenient treatment with a cautions to booking ratio at about 40%-60%.
No action by a NZ Policeman has caused any undue hazzard to my person that I can recall or am aware of.
Loud and Uncouth
Can I start a thread on bad driving by non police peole?
Or would that overload the site?
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
" Life is not a rehearsal, it's as happy or miserable as you want to make it"
Whip it, whip it good!
Have to say I have no real issues with plod either. Have had 2 speeding tickets in my life, one I deserved no questions, no defense, no nothing. Cops were polite, booked me etc. The other one I was a bit ticked off with receiving, the cop was supercillious and over bearing (some may chose to read that as "a wanker") but hey, shit happens.
Originally Posted by Gubb
One hell of a ride.
I don't doubt that some of the guys here have had an unfair reaming. I've also seen 'some' of their 'tude in person and it's not particularly surprising.
Personally, never got one I didn't deserve and didn't get a few I did deserve.
PS - Sales and life skills coaching available at attractive rates.
Forum whore
Thaz not the point though. You got a spidey. No cop has caused undue hazard to my person neither (well, not on road anyway). But thaz cos I got a spidey too. But, not everybody has a spidey , and some aren't very spooky.
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One question I have is -
Where is the Leadership from either BRONZ or Ulysses?
Each of these two organisations lobbied during the ACC campaign to lower levies. What are each actively doing to change things, and not just referring to recent events but the overall safety of motorcyclists? Drunk Drivers, Intersections and Speed feature highly in Police, NZTA, ACC and LTSA advertising but yet not one single consideration has been given to motorcyclists. Why?
Simply put (IMO) if a a rider dies or is injured its normally; a single event, is their fault or does not have the graphic impact of a vehicle accident! Politicians do not care as the impacts of one or two riders dying or being injured are far less visible than cars or other vehicles.
So what?.... So how do we change this? Again IMHO it needs to be driven (cuse the pun) from each of those two organisations working together for all riders through positive, effective leadership and a drive to make change.
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Whip it, whip it good!
See I think my spidey is very well developed, infact I credit it with saving my life a few times, wish it could have saved me from the most embarrasing ticket I have ever received. I was so broke I had to borrow the money from my habitual speeding brother (that I used to give total berries to for doing so) to pay that speeding fine
They call me Mr Fahrenheit
A few years back I did the Holden Advance Driver training course at Puke. Great course - highly recommended. The chief instructor used to be involved with driving instruction for the police. He told us that he left because he felt that despite all of the training, their accident rate was rising. He told us that he was tasked with investigating training methods elsewhere in the world, but that the hierarchy refused to believe that there is a better way to do things. He was convinced that they were using an outmoded model, and decided to go private.
That's what he said.
Keep on chooglin'
L-Plate Rider
I can't speak for BRONZ but I'm the Ulysses National Secretary so I am right in amongst it Ulysses-wise.
Our policy during the ACC campaign late last year was to lobby and pressurise as much as possible at the people who were attacking bike riders, that there was no point in antagonising or inconvieniecing other road users because there was no great profit from that. As well a lot of car and truck drivers were sympathetic to our cause, why turn them away from us? Because of that it seems that Ulysses appeared to many to be lacking in it's response. The fact of the matter is that the Club was heavily involved in politicing, and quite honestly I beleive that we were very effective in putting the case to the media and government. Sometimes it's the quiet background work that is mainly unseen that is the most effective. We now have a good relationship with people who can make a difference. As well, at present we are working towards the formation of a collective group of motorcycle interest groups, we have called it The Federation of Motorcyclists just to give it a name for now. I personally have sent out invitations to as many National level bike clubs and organisations as I could find as well as talking to a number of Kiwi biker people asking them to form a representative group to join in, Bronz, Classic bikes, Goldwing, red Knights, Ducati, Triumph, HOG, WIMA, Italian Bike, Scooter Clubs, Honda Riders , and so on. Ulysses is offering to pay to hire a conference room and provide lunch to bring reps from all these groups together and form a "Federation" which can then truly claim to represent a huge percentage of the biking community in NZ on any issues which concern us all. It is definitely not envisaged as a Ulysses led group, we simply want to get a meeting together to get it started and we want to be part of it. We see this as an essencial way forward. Everyone says quite rightly that Bikers are the picked-on group, Ulysses say that this is because we don't have a representitive body, car drivers do, truckies do, we don't, so we are the easy target. There are heaps of issues when you think about it, ACC levies, pathetic licencing training requirements, Rode codes for bikes with rediculous errors in them, slippery white lines on the road, the 70kph rule for learners, the 250cc learner bike rule, no-one is listening because we are fragmented. As well Ulysses actually has a good relationship with the road sfaety side of ACC, we are deploying a Mentoring program throughout the country which is open to all motorcyclists not just our members, and we are developing relationships directly with Australian Motorcycle safety groups and initiatives. There is a huge amount of work going on behind the scenes, quietly, but very effectively. We (Bikers) have to pat ourselves on the back for our efforts during the latest ACC campaign but just think how much more effective we could have been if we had a National representitive group for Government, NGO's, and media to talk to, Ulysses is working hard to address that right now.
Loud and Uncouth
About the only time cops get training in NZ is when they go through the Police College - must be a good course 'cos it has to last up to 20 years or more...
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
" Life is not a rehearsal, it's as happy or miserable as you want to make it"
Weapons of Mass Acceleration
Not different to glock and M4 re-training, the driving stuff should get harder and better quality... recertification to drive every say 5 years? Make it tough like the brits training? but hey thats costs money.... like CIB.... unlike HP the cash cow.About the only time cops get training in NZ is when they go through the Police College - must be a good course 'cos it has to last up to 20 years or more...
L-Plate Rider
This is a copy of the invitation letter sent out early March. The response has been slow but we now have a number of groups pledging to come to the meeting. I am now ringing the other groups and establishing contact with them to find out why they havent responded or why they don't want to join in.-- if you support the idea talk to your Club and tell them. At the bottom of the letter there is a list of receivers, if there are any National level groups we have missed let me know and I'll send an invite to them.
06 March 2010
Re: Federation of New Zealand Motorcycle Clubs
On 13 February 2010 the National Committee of The Ulysses Club of New Zealand Inc. met in Wellington. We had previously discussed the ACC levies campaign and felt that, although the protests and other actions of bikers throughout the country had proved effective, there was little coordination of events with no single clear agenda.
Unlike other motoring groups we do not have a national organisation representing motorcyclists. We believe that having such an organisation would provide us with a strong and coherent voice.
The time is right to form a Federation of New Zealand Motorcycle Clubs. The main focus would be to give bikers a national focus and to establish good communication channels with its member clubs and motorcycle-related groups, the media, ACC, government and non-government agencies and Government itself.
We are contacting all national motorcycle clubs to gauge support for the formation of this federation. The Ulysses Club is prepared to fund the hire of a suitable venue in Wellington to host the meeting. Lunch will be provided. All other expenses would be met by your own club or representative(s).
We ask that you consider this proposal and give us an indication within two weeks of receipt of this letter of your interest in attending the meeting. We also propose that the meeting should be held within two months from the date of this letter.
We welcome your suggestions for agenda items and recommend that each club send one or two representatives. Please advise us of any National Clubs that are not included in the following list
Your replies are welcome by email to secretary@ulysses.org.nz
On behalf of the National Committee
Howard Mansell
National Secretary
The Ulysses Club of New Zealand Inc.
List of recipients.
BMW Owners Register
Red Knights
Motorcycling NZ
NZ Classic Motorcycle Racing Register
Honda Riders Club
Hog (Wellington)
Bike Italian
Buell Riders Club of New Zealand
BRONZ
WIMA
Triumph Owners MC
Ducati Owners Club of New Zealand
Gold Wing Road Riders
Vespa Club of New Zealand
RATS
One hell of a ride.
I believe that if it is in motorcyclist's political interest or a Political matter it should be under the BRONZ banner.
Several of the Orgs are already members or affiliated in some way - and the infrastructure and incorporation is already in place.
Further representation would be welcome.
It also has a constitution that represents all bikers. Or tries to.
Some of them - HOG eg - are specifically non political.
They call me Mr Fahrenheit
Looks like it is good for 20 years or so - seems like the 30 year veterans are the ones who are slipping up.About the only time cops get training in NZ is when they go through the Police College - must be a good course 'cos it has to last up to 20 years or more...
Keep on chooglin'
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