Finally, a reply from the gubbinment

[bogan]

The only way to go is to remove them altogether...

reckon a truckie would notice if one end of the cheesecutter wire was hooked to his truck as he went past? why yes I have been watchin Fast and Furious, why do you ask?

But back to the OP, send them the pdf p.dath linked to, is a very interesting read and looks like it answers the questions in their reply.

[MSTRS:Me]

reckon a truckie would notice if one end of the cheesecutter wire was hooked to his truck as he went past? why yes I have been watchin Fast and Furious, why do you ask?

But back to the OP, send them the pdf p.dath linked to, is a very interesting read and looks like it answers the questions in their reply.

You assume that Joyce isn't lying when he says "No studies...incomplete...etc"

The linked report has been around for quite some time, and 'our' officials are well aware of it and it's contents.

[bogan]

You assume that Joyce isn't lying when he says "No studies...incomplete...etc"

The linked report has been around for quite some time, and 'our' officials are well aware of it and it's contents.

Well It'd put him on the spot a bit then, and surely thats a good thing!

[saxet]

Ah yes - but your assuming that the govt gives a flying fuck about motorcyclist. Previous history tells me, no.
The only way your going to get them on this issue is very simple. Cost or Legal.
So either prove that (without crashing) they pose a hazard, or show them that they are not cost effective.
This can be done when you consider aspect like - repair and maintenance - something concrete rarely requires.
I am no going to do it for you guys - because I personally have no issue with WRB. I simply don't crash into them. If I did - it would be my own fault.



But I am sick of people complaining here - and working harder not smarter. Its annoying.

Ahhh no. You assumed that, I KNOW they are less interested in minority groups.

I believe that alot of people are trying to do exactly what you suggest , it's in our best interests as not all accidents occur due to our own mistakes.
I support these people as I KNOW the Govt is being more than creative with the truth.

As a side issue, most of us don't care about things until they impact on us.

[phill-k]

- because I personally have no issue with RB. I simply don't crash into them. If I did - it would be my own fault.
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Tend to agree with you here, as you say if you crash into them its your fault, however if mrs jones is putting lippie on in the opposing lane and inadvertently slams into the barrier rather than crossing the median and smacking into you going in the opposite direction, the barrier has just done you a big favour. I guess the prevention of that type of accident must come into the equation.

[saxet]

Tend to agree with you here, as you say if you crash into them its your fault, however if mrs jones is putting lippie on in the opposing lane and inadvertently slams into the barrier rather than crossing the median and smacking into you going in the opposite direction, the barrier has just done you a big favour. I guess the prevention of that type of accident must come into the equation.


Good point but to me it's a matter of doing a job properly. E.G. Mrs Jones car leaks oil on the road, you hit it and slide into said barrier. If it was concrete you'd break some bones, bounce off and may have to deal with other traffic coming your way.
If its a WRB you're gonna get ripped limb from limb.

Neither is ideal but one is certian death.

[avgas]

Tend to agree with you here, as you say if you crash into them its your fault, however if mrs jones is putting lippie on in the opposing lane and inadvertently slams into the barrier rather than crossing the median and smacking into you going in the opposite direction, the barrier has just done you a big favour. I guess the prevention of that type of accident must come into the equation.

Shhhhhh thats a secret - apparently WRB are evil here.
They were only invented to kill motorcyclists apparently.

[avgas]

Tend to agree with you here, as you say if you crash into them its your fault, however if mrs jones is putting lippie on in the opposing lane and inadvertently slams into the barrier rather than crossing the median and smacking into you going in the opposite direction, the barrier has just done you a big favour. I guess the prevention of that type of accident must come into the equation.


Good point but to me it's a matter of doing a job properly. E.G. Mrs Jones car leaks oil on the road, you hit it and slide into said barrier. If it was concrete you'd break some bones, bounce off and may have to deal with other traffic coming your way.
If its a WRB you're gonna get ripped limb from limb.

Neither is ideal but one is certian death.

So you want to pack them with foam - good idea.
Go do it.
Or prove a financial or ethical case to the govt to do so.
I refer to my previous post.

[mashman]

If its a WRB you're gonna get ripped limb from limb.

That or you'll slide through the fence and into oncoming traffic.

[MSTRS:Me]

So you want to pack them with foam - good idea.
Go do it.
Or prove a financial or ethical case to the govt to do so.
I refer to my previous post.

This guy tried...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ter-protection
Transit (as it was at the time) didn't want to know. I can't remember, but I think they never even looked at what the guy came up with.

[saxet]

So you want to pack them with foam - good idea.
Go do it.
Or prove a financial or ethical case to the govt to do so.
I refer to my previous post.

How is it that people spend alot of time moaning about other people moaning.

[avgas]

This guy tried...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ter-protection
Transit (as it was at the time) didn't want to know. I can't remember, but I think they never even looked at what the guy came up with.

After asking for an extra $70K I am not surprised.
Where was the cheaper or "more legal" spin about his business?

By the sounds of things his proposal goes like this.
Hi Govt who don't really care about bikers. Did you know that your WRB could kill a biker (that you don't really care about). How about giving me $70K to fix a problem you don't feel needs fixing?
No?
How about you have at least have a look about this thing that will fix a problem that you don't care about?
No?

I think I know this guy - he came to my house and poured dirt on my carpet to trying to tell me my vacuum was not good enough.

[avgas]

How is it that people spend alot of time moaning about other people moaning.

My web-phones are broken so I can't dull out the moaning. Figure it my be easier to try and fix the problem.
Turns out I should have just looked at porn

[R-Soul]

Faaarrrk me but reading that Aussie write up about teh tcrash testing had me cringing in pain already...

"Figure 23 shows the kinematics for an upright rider
on a motorcycle impacting a wire rope barrier. The
calculated injuries from the simulations suggest that
serious injury would result regardless of speed and
impact angle."

Pretty much says it all, really...

[Pixie]

Tend to agree with you here, as you say if you crash into them its your fault, however if mrs jones is putting lippie on in the opposing lane and inadvertently slams into the barrier rather than crossing the median and smacking into you going in the opposite direction, the barrier has just done you a big favour. I guess the prevention of that type of accident must come into the equation.

Unless ,of course, the barrier didn't have the recommended 3 metres of margin and she pushed it into your lane anyway and sliced you in half.