It's not all about writing tickets

[red mermaid]

Yep, got your apology, thank you.

[Ixion]

.. But I guarantee that when you really need them, they'll be there to assist in whatever capacity they can. As they have for me a couple of times.

...

Bullshit. Over half a century or so, I've called on the cops for assistance quite a few times. Mainly when I was younger and more naive. Because I needed help, or (more often) someone else did. Sometimes *really* needed them. A couple of times, *really, really*. They were never there. Ever. Never even got a taxi. A most a phone call days later, after it had all gone down.

This adulatory nonsense keeps being served up about "the police being there to help you". Humbug. They're not Boy Scouts, or Mummy's Little Helper. They're there to lock people up, or, failing that, at least give them a ticket. If they can't lock you up, or give you a ticket, they're not interested. At most you might benefit from the collateral if they lock someone else up

If you're in trouble, don't rely on the police to help you. It's down to you. Sort it out yourself, if it's too big, call up some mates. If it's already happened, write it off and move on. Burgled? Bashed? Molested? Cops won't want to know. Suck it up, and deal with it. Someone else being dealt to? Just move along, because if you stick your nose in, odds are *you'll* be the one locked up. Think about it - you call the cops. Before they get there, crims move on. So when the cops arrive, all they have is a victim (who probably has no memory what happened) , and one other person - you. So, who's going to get locked up there ? Yep.

Only reason to involve cops, is peremptive (doddering idiot looks like he might be going to *555 you ? *555 him first); or because an insurance company needs the form - which is all the police action will be.

And if you think this is just the response of a grumpy old man - try asking Mrs Ixion her opinion of the police. Mrs Ixion is the very picture of the respectable, authority respecting middle aged lady. But , if it were not that she never swears, the air would be purple. Even without swear words, she manages to be very forthright about the failings of the modern police force. Much more so than me. For the same reasons.

And, I don't hate cops. Most of them (Gingacunts excepted - I wonder if he's the one in the shit in Waitemata district?) they're OK guys , in themselves. Just that as far as the ordinary citizen is concerned, they're no use and potentially trouble. Best kept well clear of

They're NOT there to help you, and you'll do yourself no favours having anything to do with them.Didn't use to be that way. Is now. Sad, and I'd rather I didn't live in a world where that was the case, but there it is.

(Oh, and to short circuit the insinuations that will flow in - I've never been in any trouble with the police, I've had a grand total of three minor speeding tickets in over 50 years, plus one for no WoF . That's it).

[miloking]

Nicely said Ixion, there isnt much else to add....

****the thread can end here now******

[duckonin]

Ironic. A video aimed at creating empathy for police when they show so little toward so many of those that they deal with

Maybe empathy to some, but for the other 98% fucken none..

[phill-k]

Nicely said Axion, there isnt much else to add....

****the thread can end here now******

Actually there is, I have not read so much bullshit in all my life. The Frontline Police do not set there own agenda, this is set out for them by the Hierarchy of the Police under guidance from the Government - remember the people you & I elect, by and large they do a very good job under very trying circumstances. They are constrained by budgets just like everyone else in this country, if Key had perhaps taken the twenty or Thirty bucks hes going to give everyone in October and increased the Police numbers, along with some more Doctors and medical faculties - what did he say the other day the tax cuts are costing 4 billion dollars that would go a long way to seeing an improved service. It is a fact of life they prioritise just like every other government dept, don't blame the poor guys on the front line, its not a job I would do, and a lot on here wouldn't have the balls to be able to deal with the bullshit they get handed to them every day of the week.
The traffic police have a job to do, if we didn't have them imagine the shambles traffic on our roads, not to mention the danger, would be in.

[Smifffy]

I don't hate the police. I quite like some of them. I have lost respect for many of them however. For those that have lost my respect, it will take more than a boobtube video to earn that respect back.

[red mermaid]

Wow, it must be right cause not only Ixion, but Mrs Ixion says it is so! Yeah Right.

Bullshit. Over half a century or so, I've called on the cops for assistance quite a few times. Mainly when I was younger and more naive. Because I needed help, or (more often) someone else did. Sometimes *really* needed them. A couple of times, *really, really*. They were never there. Ever. Never even got a taxi. A most a phone call days later, after it had all gone down.

This adulatory nonsense keeps being served up about "the police being there to help you". Humbug. They're not Boy Scouts, or Mummy's Little Helper. They're there to lock people up, or, failing that, at least give them a ticket. If they can't lock you up, or give you a ticket, they're not interested. At most you might benefit from the collateral if they lock someone else up

If you're in trouble, don't rely on the police to help you. It's down to you. Sort it out yourself, if it's too big, call up some mates. If it's already happened, write it off and move on. Burgled? Bashed? Molested? Cops won't want to know. Suck it up, and deal with it. Someone else being dealt to? Just move along, because if you stick your nose in, odds are *you'll* be the one locked up. Think about it - you call the cops. Before they get there, crims move on. So when the cops arrive, all they have is a victim (who probably has no memory what happened) , and one other person - you. So, who's going to get locked up there ? Yep.

Only reason to involve cops, is peremptive (doddering idiot looks like he might be going to *555 you ? *555 him first); or because an insurance company needs the form - which is all the police action will be.

And if you think this is just the response of a grumpy old man - try asking Mrs Ixion her opinion of the police. Mrs Ixion is the very picture of the respectable, authority respecting middle aged lady. But , if it were not that she never swears, the air would be purple. Even without swear words, she manages to be very forthright about the failings of the modern police force. Much more so than me. For the same reasons.

And, I don't hate cops. Most of them (Gingacunts excepted - I wonder if he's the one in the shit in Waitemata district?) they're OK guys , in themselves. Just that as far as the ordinary citizen is concerned, they're no use and potentially trouble. Best kept well clear of

They're NOT there to help you, and you'll do yourself no favours having anything to do with them.Didn't use to be that way. Is now. Sad, and I'd rather I didn't live in a world where that was the case, but there it is.

(Oh, and to short circuit the insinuations that will flow in - I've never been in any trouble with the police, I've had a grand total of three minor speeding tickets in over 50 years, plus one for no WoF . That's it).

[miloking]

Wow, it must be right cause not only Ixion, but Mrs Ixion says it is so! Yeah Right.

I say it too...and from opinions expressed on KB, probably large portion of people feel the same to some extent....when will you guys start listening and respecting public opinion about police, (and do something about it)
instead of living in this delusional world that everybody who doesnt agree with how police behaves must naturaly be "cop hater" and criminal....

[Ixion]

Wow, it must be right cause not only Ixion, but Mrs Ixion says it is so! Yeah Right.

Yes. Because if you've lost Mrs Ixion's respect you've lost middle New Zealand. Someone like me not respecting the police, that's no big deal. Sort of to be expected. But Mrs Ixion is no biker, never ridden a motorbike in her life, never will, never had a ticket of any sort and would probably drop dead of mortification if she did, never even been pulled over, shes the basic middle aged lady next door. If you can't retain her, you've (generic police you not you personal) lost the country.

[phill-k]

I say it too...and from opinions expressed on KB, probably large portion of people feel the same to some extent....when will you guys start listening and respecting public opinion about police, (and do something about it)
instead of living in this delusional world that everybody who doesnt agree with how police behaves must naturaly be "cop hater" and criminal....

did you not say you immigrated to NZ from Eastern Europe? a place where Governments and a lot of their depts are corrupt? My Point, you have a very jaundiced view, our police force is one of the most highly rated in the world, they are undertaking a job with finite resources and prioritise all of the duties they are charged with undertaking, this comes about because of money - their operating budget.
I think you will find on KB that there are very few with your opinion most just don't bother responding to the sort of crap you and the others spout off. f you get nicked for speeding or some such be angry with yourself not the poor bastard that writes you the ticket and has to put up with your attitude because you have done something wrong. As for the quota allegations, as in sales if you want a result you must interact with the clients, the Police are charged with interacting with the motoring public to get the result that they are tasked with for filling, like a salesman they are selling something - road "safety" and sometime to get that message through they require you to buy into it, best thing is to avoid this, by either being smarter / more observant, or by going along with the rules.

[Spearfish]

did you not say you immigrated to NZ from Eastern Europe? a place where Governments and a lot of their depts are corrupt? My Point, you have a very jaundiced view, our police force is one of the most highly rated in the world, they are undertaking a job with finite resources and prioritise all of the duties they are charged with undertaking, this comes about because of money - their operating budget.
I think you will find on KB that there are very few with your opinion most just don't bother responding to the sort of crap you and the others spout off. f you get nicked for speeding or some such be angry with yourself not the poor bastard that writes you the ticket and has to put up with your attitude because you have done something wrong. As for the quota allegations, as in sales if you want a result you must interact with the clients, the Police are charged with interacting with the motoring public to get the result that they are tasked with for filling, like a salesman they are selling something - road "safety" and sometime to get that message through they require you to buy into it, best thing is to avoid this, by either being smarter / more observant, or by going along with the rules.

+1
Lucky there is more to KB, much more.

[Ixion]

did you not say you immigrated to NZ from Eastern Europe? a place where Governments and a lot of their depts are corrupt? My Point, you have a very jaundiced view, our police force is one of the most highly rated in the world, they are undertaking a job with finite resources and prioritise all of the duties they are charged with undertaking, this comes about because of money - their operating budget.
I think you will find on KB that there are very few with your opinion most just don't bother responding to the sort of crap you and the others spout off. f you get nicked for speeding or some such be angry with yourself not the poor bastard that writes you the ticket and has to put up with your attitude because you have done something wrong. As for the quota allegations, as in sales if you want a result you must interact with the clients, the Police are charged with interacting with the motoring public to get the result that they are tasked with for filling, like a salesman they are selling something - road "safety" and sometime to get that message through they require you to buy into it, best thing is to avoid this, by either being smarter / more observant, or by going along with the rules.

Bullshit. Do you work for them too? You're certainly toeing the party line nicely.

What about when I don't get stopped for speeding (or anything else), rarely have been and the few times I did I had no problem with it.

What I do have a problem with is every day seeing cops simply ignoring stuff that really is dangerous.

Cars going through red lights under their noses, crossing the centre line , you name it. And cops who can't be bothered to do stuff that is not only their job (keeping people dsafe) but simple basic human decency.

Like an old lady with dementia, wandering down the middle of a busy road . Walking back to Whangamata, she says (from Auckland).

Flag down a cop - no not one on his way to anything , he admitted he was on his way back to the station - "old lady - in grave danger".

Not only not interested- flat outright "If you try do do anything yourself I'll arrest YOU" (not me, that was my 80 year old father in law he was talking to - another man who once worshipped the police and now despises them) .

We rang round the local rest homes, found where she had wandered from, they came and collected her. Meanwhile I steered traffic round her (she'd gotten tired and sat down in the middle of the road!). Cops didn't give a stuff.

Let's hear your excuse for that one . I'm waiting.

[Coldrider]

Our own Police Minister does not know the difference between 'comply' and 'respect'.

[Swoop]

"It's not all about writing tickets".

Quite true. Donuts do not eat themselves you know!

[miloking]

did you not say you immigrated to NZ from Eastern Europe? a place where Governments and a lot of their depts are corrupt? My Point, you have a very jaundiced view, our police force is one of the most highly rated in the world, they are undertaking a job with finite resources and prioritise all of the duties they are charged with undertaking, this comes about because of money - their operating budget.
I think you will find on KB that there are very few with your opinion most just don't bother responding to the sort of crap you and the others spout off. f you get nicked for speeding or some such be angry with yourself not the poor bastard that writes you the ticket and has to put up with your attitude because you have done something wrong. As for the quota allegations, as in sales if you want a result you must interact with the clients, the Police are charged with interacting with the motoring public to get the result that they are tasked with for filling, like a salesman they are selling something - road "safety" and sometime to get that message through they require you to buy into it, best thing is to avoid this, by either being smarter / more observant, or by going along with the rules.

Yes correct, where I come from cops and goverment is corrupt as hell.. but we are not comparing police in different countries here, the discussion is about overzealaous road policing vs solving actual crime/problems...of course its human nature, its much easier to pull people over on harbour bridge than busting real criminals.
To me if there is a rapist roaming out there somewhere (like recently) every cop that has nothing to do should be looking for him instead of sitting in a bush with laser gun... road policing can wait! After all rapists are caught, and all old ladies saved etc.

Also i like how you nicely twist it around....if you get speeding ticket be angry with yourself and feel sorry for the cop? How does that work? ...maybe be angry for pulling over or something? (i see speed limit set by govt as arbitrary limit that has nothing to do with road condition,type of vehicle, driver skill...its just a number set, so they can collect money when you go over that number....)