Tickets for 4km/h over the speed limit this Queens Birthday weekend

[Hoon]

I've got to do 2 x 4hrs trips this weekend. In my car on the open road I drive at 109kph as indicated by my GPS (about 115 on my speedo) and then set my cruise control to it. Happily driven past many cops and only once had one flash his lights at me. A little annoying now that I need to do 104kph but in the scope of things it probably isn't worth worrying about.

[Berries]

To me this sounds like the back door way of reducing the open road speed limit to 90km/h. Lower the tolerance, reduce the average speed, point out how 90km/h is the new average speed and if we lower the speed limit we will be fair to one and all and up the tolerance to 10%. Get it through, in a couple of years time reduce the tolerance again. A 90 or even 80km/h speed limit has been discussed, but I don’t think anyone would have the balls to come right out and introduce it so they get the police to do the dirty work instead.

Yes, anything over 100 is speeding, but traveling 5 to 10% over the speed limit is hardly trauma inducing on its own, compared to many other issues that are harder to measure/enforce, like fatigue for example, or old age, both of which I am sure contribute to more crashes than people in the 104 to 110km/h bracket. Can’t be proved though.

My speedo needle is 4km/h wide FFS. Well it would be if it wasn’t digital. Me ? I have always thought people with radar detectors were knobs, flouting the fact that they habitually speed rather than just getting on with it somewhere quiet. But I think I might be getting one. And if I start picking up demerits for the bike getting away from me to 105km/h on a downhill motorway then I’ll be reconsidering my personal position on doing a runner.

Think this one is going to go down like a turd in a sweetshop.

Regarding the Easter road toll, I'd be interested to know from a crash investigation point of view, just what the degree of accuracy is for estimating the speed of a crashed vehicle using physical evidence. In my naievity I imagine that there are standards and studies for this type of thing, rather than 'educated' guesswork.

I’d say that the guys who have been trained as proper crash investigators can get fairly accurate with their calculations if there is enough scene evidence. The problem is there isn’t that many of them, so the majority of crashes don’t have a proper scene examination and therefore the speed noted on the crash report has no real bearing on reality. It could be the view of the cop, or based on what the driver said, who isn’t going to admit speeding, or based on witnesses who wouldn't have a clue.

[Bulldog]

Some great comments from AA man Mike Noon. Very sensible and more importantly logical I thought.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/warn...5-km-h-3577672

[Swoop]

I'd rather you stopped & booked every fucker on a motorcycle who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to travel everywhere at 240+ kph and leave me alone when I'm doing 120.

I'd like to see the cops that frequent this site, actually do something about the fuckheads who repeatedly boast on here (and post the video evidence) of their 240+ kph escapades.

The reality is that they do actually know who these clowns are so why the fuck isn't something being done about them?

The difference is? You are both speeding, so get to wear the consequences of being taxed for daring to prove to them that speed, in fact, doesn't kill.

[Littleman]

Why doesn't Miloking go out and kill himself speeding this weekend and blow out the stats of this new initiative.

That'll show em.

[GOONR]

Some great comments from AA man Mike Noon. Very sensible and more importantly logical I thought.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/warn...5-km-h-3577672

Extracted from the link above....


Police say claiming you have a faulty speedometer will not be an excuse.

"Vehicle condition is an individual choice so whip in, get it checked, that's what our advice would be," Rose says.

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How much would it cost, rough gestimate, to get a speedo checked and calibrated?

Aren't speedo's generally accepted as being 'out' from the factory, if so we have bought faulty goods according to National Road Policing Manager Paula Rose. I wan't a refund on my car (sarcasm)

[steve_t]

Some great comments from AA man Mike Noon. Very sensible and more importantly logical I thought.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/warn...5-km-h-3577672

Does the cop standing in the bushes with his radar radio to someone down the road? Or does he have to jump in his car and give chase?

I dunno if this has already been answered but will there be demerit points associated with the 105km/h ticket?

[Ixion]

I see neither the point or the problem . Reality is that when travelling at normal open road speeds, or overtaking Doddery Enid , one has always risked a ticket. And the cost of the ticket has been based on exceeding 100kph, not 110.

Now one will have exactly the same risk as before and the penalty will ne exactly the same

The solution now as before is to regard travel on roads where cops are likely as the boring bit before and after the real riding. And to keep both Hector and the Mk I eyeball on the job.

The only people likely to be affected will be the idiots who smugly condemn speeding and crawl past the vehicle doing 95 at 110 . Now they'll crawl past at 104 , spend still longer on the wrong side of the road , crash and die . Hardly likely to be bikers so how sad too bad EDIT . Now if they had followed Australia and doubled the penalties, that *would* be bad.

[MadDuck]

Why doesn't Miloking go out and kill himself speeding this weekend and blow out the stats of this new initiative.

That'll show em.

I must not hang out here enough these days.....no matter how much someone pisses you off on an internet forum with anal posts. This is so wrong.

[miloking]

Why doesn't Miloking go out and kill himself speeding this weekend and blow out the stats of this new initiative.

That'll show em.

I cant, got no demerit points left but i wont killmyself ever...it will be that housewife reversing from driveway while changing CD that will do it for me one day.... either way you are cunt (wishing death to someone), so go back to fucking your cousing or mum in Redvale and dont mention my name again (no hard feelings ok, we are all just a friends here arent we....)

[Headbanger]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...s-now-too-fast

Apparently 5km over the speed limit and you're a killer.

Tell the cunts to get fucked, Give them the finger when you see them, and carry on travelling if the cunts try and tax you for 5km/h over the limit.

The fuckers are only able to do what we allow them to do, and if the public say no fuckin way you thieving cunts, then thats what happens. No one should be willing to put up with this shit.

[Mom]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...s-now-too-fast

Apparently 5km over the speed limit and you're a killer.

Tell the cunts to get fucked, Give them the finger when you see them, and carry on travelling if the cunts try and tax you for 5km/h over the limit.

The fuckers are only able to do what we allow them to do, and if the public say no fuckin way you thieving cunts, then thats what happens. No one should be willing to put up with this shit.

Be interesting to see if there are any road fatalities this weekend.

[marty]

Oh I can't WAIT for Tuesday next week

[Crasherfromwayback]

Be interesting to see what happens when you refuse to pay the fine and go to court. Just about ALL of the manufacturers allow 10% speedo inacuracy. I'll be telling them to fuck off.

[davereid]

Go on, let us know what you want us to do. Like, instead of just sitting and grizzling about what we are doing, actually have a sensible idea and maybe we'll try it. So there.

The sad thing about this, is that police are demonstrating just how keen they are to reduce the road toll. But how few options are available to them to really do something about it. I'm sure no one, not even anyone in the police thinks for a moment that writing tickets for 105 km/hr is actually going to save any one this weekend. Police are just very short of effective things they can do, so they are hoping that by being seen to do "something" that the outcome will be better.

The focus on speed will always be part of the picture, as there is no doubt that reducing average speeds saves lives. A 25km/hr open road speed limit would be a very effective life saver.

One of the things I would like to see police do, is focus on following distances. IMHO data that shows nose-to-ail accidents does not tell the entire story of following too close.

Particularly on the open road, I notice following to close cases an entire subset of extra problems. Like vehicles can't pass one car without being forced into a seriously small gap. Vehicles turning right or left off the road cause panic for the driver three-back who didn't see them indicate. Vehicles take a chance at entering from a give way cutting in front of me, as a motorcyclist is the closest thing to a gap that they have seen for 10 minutes.

So how about worrying less about the chap who does 115 passing Nana, and having a good look at following distances.