ACC & NZTA FUCKERS: Charging the new rates before it is legal to do so.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well,I would ask myself:"how often do I get stopped or see a check point?Or even get tailed by a cop that might run my rego to see if is up to date?"

If the answer is rarely, then I would ride pirate style.

I think the biggest risks are parking nazis in cities.


My next bike will be a GSF 1250 livestock transporter registered as a farm vehicle, ACC exempt, for my worm farm -and I will always have a jar of worms with me to prove it.

You've opened a hell of a can of worms there.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

How much will that affect you? If you use the bike on the occasional weekend, probably you will get away with it.

If, like me, its your daily transport, and you do at least 75-80kms a day, it becomes a game of chance in which the odds are stacked hugely in the police's favour.

While I disagree with the reasons for the increase in the charge, and have protested (and will continue to protest) about the charges, I have no choice. I've been pulled over three times in the last month - once for a rego check, once for doing 116km/hr (my fault) and once for doing 102 (Queen's birthday weekend).

After July 1, I'm willing to bet the rego checks will increase. They've already started doing it on the Rimutakas in the weekend.

Its going to cost you hugely if you repeatedly get stopped. But it's your call.

My rego runs out on 7/7/10. So I have no choice but to pay the $520. With my recent luck I'll be fined more than that in one month.

really? 102? that is fucking bullshit.

[Max Preload]

Councils are allowing full payment of new rate demands for the coming year at the existing GST rate.This is exactly the same situation with extending a licence expiry date.

Completely different scenario. GST is collected (for large turnover institutions) on the basis of when it was invoiced.

Also I got a reply from BRONZ - they are having their lawyers look into the legalities of the situation

I'm sure they'll find it's just as I stated here with references.

[avgas]

You can "accidentally" spill some solvent on it.
The ink comes off the plastic very easily.I discovered this when I was investigating "doctoring" expiry dates.

Courier, Size 46, requires some tweeks.........oppps I mean yes solvent would be bad

[sunhuntin]

mine expires next april [i had some extra money so got a years worth when it came up] if i filled out the extension form today, would i be paying the old or new rates? [i have a feeling it would be the new rates, but just want to make sure ive got it right]

[Ixion]

OK. IANAL , but I think they're wrong

The new fees are prescribed in regulations . Accident Compensation (Motor Vehicle Account Levies) Regulations 2010 (SR 2010/73).

Clause 6 says

Payment of levies
(1) The motor vehicle levy and the Motorcycle Safety levy are payable—
(a) for each licensing period that commences on or after 1 July 2010; and
(b) on application for one of the following licences:
(i) a motor vehicle licence, under section 10 of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986; or
(ii) a trade licence, under section 31 of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986.

Now, that says that if you want to licence your bike for a period commencing after 1 July 2010 (which is what we are talking about), then you pay according to the fees in this regulation. (ie you pay the high fees).

BUT ** why I think they are wrong.

Secton 8 says

Revocation and saving

(1) The Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation (Motor Vehicles Levies) Regulations 2009 (SR 2009/60) are revoked.

(2) Despite subclause (1), the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation (Motor Vehicles Levies) Regulations 2009 continue to apply to the period starting on 1 July 2009 and ending on 30 June 2010 as if they had not been revoked.

So what THAT says is, that for " the period starting on 1 July 2009 and ending on 30 June 2010", the OLD regulations ( Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation (Motor Vehicles Levies) Regulations 2009) continue to apply. So, for June , they should be charging under the old (low) fees. Assuming that payment is actually made in June.

However, the practical problem is that if their computer has been loaded with (only) the new fees, how are we/anyone going to make them change it?

[Max Preload]

You can "accidentally" spill some solvent on it.
The ink comes off the plastic very easily.I discovered this when I was investigating "doctoring" expiry dates.

You'll still get a ION for failing to display if they (parking wardens) can't read it. Then if you write in and they check (not guaranteed that they will, from experience) they'll see it wasn't licensed at the time.

However, the practical problem is that if their computer has been loaded with (only) the new fees, how are we/anyone going to make them change it?

Computer says no. *cough*

[scracha]

Hmm... my license expires on 30/06/2010. Am I phucked? Won't be paying the cunts 500 bucks, that's for sure.

[miloking]

It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

How much will that affect you? If you use the bike on the occasional weekend, probably you will get away with it.

If, like me, its your daily transport, and you do at least 75-80kms a day, it becomes a game of chance in which the odds are stacked hugely in the police's favour.

While I disagree with the reasons for the increase in the charge, and have protested (and will continue to protest) about the charges, I have no choice. I've been pulled over three times in the last month - once for a rego check, once for doing 116km/hr (my fault) and once for doing 102 (Queen's birthday weekend).

After July 1, I'm willing to bet the rego checks will increase. They've already started doing it on the Rimutakas in the weekend.

Its going to cost you hugely if you repeatedly get stopped. But it's your call.

My rego runs out on 7/7/10. So I have no choice but to pay the $520. With my recent luck I'll be fined more than that in one month.

While i fully understand your logic and odds for getting ticket etc... i will rather pay the occasional fine because it has few advantages for start you can choose to pay it off instead of having to pay upfront like rego, also i know that money wont go to ACC so its a matter of principal for me. (sounds retarded but even if get fined more i would still rather do that then conform to these bastards)

[riffer]

Which you're perfectly entitled to. But I imagine if they discover a large number of motorcyclists avoiding rego and putting masses of fines on slow-pay, they may introduce legislation to make it difficult for others. Just remember every action against the bastards has an opposite and not-necessarily equal reaction.

[duckonin]

The system has beaten us and we know it, we protested and received a token gesture...

Remember what has happened next time you vote !!!!

[slofox]

Damn.

My reg is due 3 July. So it'll be new rates.

I had filled out the MR27 and was gonna present it last week of June...seems pointless now, dunnit...

Damn.

[sinned]

Time to suck it up and move on

[Renegade]

While i fully understand your logic and odds for getting ticket etc... i will rather pay the occasional fine because it has few advantages for start you can choose to pay it off instead of having to pay upfront like rego, also i know that money wont go to ACC so its a matter of principal for me. (sounds retarded but even if get fined more i would still rather do that then conform to these bastards)

hmm...i like the cut of your gibb

[Howie]

OK. IANAL , but I think they're wrong

The new fees are prescribed in regulations . Accident Compensation (Motor Vehicle Account Levies) Regulations 2010 (SR 2010/73).

Clause 6 says


Now, that says that if you want to licence your bike for a period commencing after 1 July 2010 (which is what we are talking about), then you pay according to the fees in this regulation. (ie you pay the high fees).

BUT ** why I think they are wrong.

Secton 8 says



So what THAT says is, that for " the period starting on 1 July 2009 and ending on 30 June 2010", the OLD regulations ( Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation (Motor Vehicles Levies) Regulations 2009) continue to apply. So, for June , they should be charging under the old (low) fees. Assuming that payment is actually made in June.

The other way of looking at that is that if you current rego runs out after 1 july 2010, and you are using a MR27 to change the date then the period you are changing is in the next licensing period, as it is added onto the end of your current paid up rego.

Now that they have a schedule of fees for that period, they well charge at the rate applicable for the extension.

For those who's rego's run out this month the same well apply as you well get upto your 12 months rego at the old levy rate, but any extension as the fee is now set for the next period well be charged at the new rate