Speed guns

[CookMySock]

Tell them you note that you are compelled to reply under penalty of law, and intend to fully comply with their request to every reasonable extent, as this was some weeks earlier and you have been very busy you have no personal recollection by memory of the driver on that day, and since this shared vehicle and a number of drivers, that you have examined your fuel receipts and other written records and you are unable to draw a firm conclusion that they will be able use in a court of law, but the best estimate you have is either person a,b,c,d,e,f, or yourself, but they should only take this as a "best estimate."

You have complied with the law, but lets see the look on the judges' face when they read that to him.

Steve

[scumdog]

Tell them you note that you are compelled to reply under penalty of law, and intend to fully comply with their request to every reasonable extent, as this was some weeks earlier and you have been very busy you have no personal recollection by memory of the driver on that day, and since this shared vehicle and a number of drivers, that you have examined your fuel receipts and other written records and you are unable to draw a firm conclusion that they will be able use in a court of law, but the best estimate you have is either person a,b,c,d,e,f, or yourself, but they should only take this as a "best estimate."

You have complied with the law, but lets see the look on the judges' face when they read that to him.

Steve

Yeah, THAT works all the time....pffft!

[CookMySock]

It worked for me. Share your experience?

Steve

[scumdog]

It worked for me. Share your experience?

Steve

5 X Defendants in a row, each refusing to say who was driving.

$1,500 fine each.

That's MY experience.

[Ixion]

Lot cheaper than a disqualification , though ?

[Taz]

But even with video evidence the cops can't charge a chinaman with assault, Or find out the true killer of twin babies....... Maybe not enough money in these crimes?

[Ixion]

Interestingly, a woman at work asked my advice , what can I do about this. She hired a rental car. She did little of the driving, most of it being done by a (business) acquaintance . The purpose of the trip involved both of them, she hired the car because she arrived a day before he did. The rental car company specifically agreed that this was fine by them . He had proper licence etc.

After she returned home, she got a ticket in the mail. Speeding . The police had gotten her name etc from the rental car company. Not a bad one, but she knew that she was not the driver. She wrote and told them that , and told them who the actual driver was . Her acquaintance was happy to take the rap, and even wrote a letter , to accompany hers, admitting to the offence, providing details etc.

She got a reply back saying that it made no difference and SHE must pay the fine or go to court . She asked me what to do.

I told her to write to the senior officer of the district, and if he was as stupid as his underlings to contact her MP with the details, and let it go to court , and ask the judge for costs.

I await developments.

It is this sort of imbecility that is destroying public respect for the police. She is a middle aged woman, not a biker (that';s why she ask me what to do . She assumed a biker would know!). Previously an upholder of law and order etc. Now she thinks the police are "cretinous bastards". her words.

EDIT: She wasn't pissed off over getting the ticket. She was pissed off because despite her telling them she wasn't driving, providing the drivers details AND having him contact them and admit it, they just ignored all that.

[AJT]

Its an interesting subject as is often the case things aren't always clear cut. I was speeding and if I'm sent a ticket and they can prove what speed I was travelling at no problem I'll pay it. Whats not clear is can they simply say you were speeding at X Km/h pay up without any proof or without actually pulling me over and physically giving me a ticket?

I take the point that 'IF' someone gets a ticket on your bike during a test drive you are responsible to some degree - atleast asking to see the licence etc... in reality not many of us probabaly do this...I certainly haven't noted the persons details previously when selling a bike.

[scumdog]

But even with video evidence the cops can't charge a chinaman with assault, Or find out the true killer of twin babies....... Maybe not enough money in these crimes?

Shit no, why target something that will provide no $$ when there's a whole world of losers prepared to give away thousands of $$?

[grusomhat]

Its an interesting subject as is often the case things aren't always clear cut. I was speeding and if I'm sent a ticket and they can prove what speed I was travelling at no problem I'll pay it. Whats not clear is can they simply say you were speeding at X Km/h pay up without any proof or without actually pulling me over and physically giving me a ticket?

I take the point that 'IF' someone gets a ticket on your bike during a test drive you are responsible to some degree - atleast asking to see the licence etc... in reality not many of us probabaly do this...I certainly haven't noted the persons details previously when selling a bike.

I think you'll find you're are braver man than most

[scumdog]

Lot cheaper than a disqualification , though ?

Depends.

If you can walk to work it might not be so cheap.

[cruza]

Warm fuzzies.......the motorbike cop wuz me

Imagine that, being paid to ride a bike. Sigh. Life is good.

living the dream aye...............

[SMOKEU]

5 X Defendants in a row, each refusing to say who was driving.

$1,500 fine each.

That's MY experience.

So the police prosecutor can prove that each of those 5 people were simultaneously operating the motor vehicle in question?

[scumdog]

So the police prosecutor can prove that each of those 5 people were simultaneously operating the motor vehicle in question?

Ehh???

NONE of them were driving the cars they owned.

But it cost them $1,500 each for not saying who WAS driving them...

[Ixion]

Depends.

If you can walk to work it might not be so cheap.

True. But then again, one understands that such fines are very seldom paid anyway. Just added to the bill, so to speak.