Nelson blitz on bikers...

**scumdog** · 21st June 2010, 17:09

Originally Posted by Ixion

Now I am worried. Whenever anyone comes up with the "if you're doing nothing wrong what have you to worry about" line you know that somebody's liberty is in danger.

I also remember the effect that these campaigns had on the ordinary mortorcyclist. It was common to be refused service at gas stations or shops in smaller towns . The locals had been briefed by the local police .

Sometimes groups of motorcyclists, not gangs , just friends out for a ride, would be stopped on the outskirts of towns and told to turn back the way they came. Or else. Riders (once again, just ordinary motorcyclists not gang members) would be stopped , sometimes a dozen times in a day. The interrogations (that is the only term suitable) were prolonged , threatening and aggressive. Calculated to try to elict a response, which could then justify an arrest.
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And what about THIS century, ??

**red mermaid** · 21st June 2010, 17:09

His silly quotes from Gideon Tait would be selective ones from the book Tait published in the 1970's about the gang problem in NZ of that time.

Hardly an applicable comparison.
One was a public order problem, the other is a road safety problem.

Must have taken a real big sniff from his BRONZ expense account...be ready for the subs to go up!

**jahrasti** · 21st June 2010, 17:22

Originally Posted by Roadsafe Nelson

Personally I feel you are blowing this way out of proportion. Remember, I live in Nelson & I deal with several of these people quite regularly, they are not who you are trying to make them out to be. I am out on the bike nearly every day.. so I will be keeping an eye out on how things go when these checks all start happening & I will report back with my findings & observations ok.

Now this is just silly Ixion !

He needs something to crap on about while atop his soap box.

Good on them for trying to do something proactive. I've seen idiots turn up to the track with the carcass of their tyre showing and throwing a hissy fit when told about it.

I've seen road bikes with no brakes, no brake lights (not an old bike), and needing to 'hold the revs at 3grand' to stop it dying.

People may or may not have known about the problems, but ignorance is not bliss when it comes to sharing the roads with them.

**jahrasti** · 21st June 2010, 17:24

Originally Posted by red mermaid

His silly quotes from Gideon Tait would be selective ones from the book Tait published in the 1970's about the gang problem in NZ of that time.

Hardly an applicable comparison.
One was a public order problem, the other is a road safety problem.

Must have taken a real big sniff from his BRONZ expense account...be ready for the subs to go up!

You now need to crap on about selective quotes and then launch into a personal attack about his profession and anything else that can be attacked.

**Ixion** · 21st June 2010, 17:29

Originally Posted by Roadsafe Nelson

Personally I feel you are blowing this way out of proportion. Remember, I live in Nelson & I deal with several of these people quite regularly, they are not who you are trying to make them out to be. I am out on the bike nearly every day.. so I will be keeping an eye out on how things go when these checks all start happening & I will report back with my findings & observations ok.

Now this is just silly Ixion !

I imagine that people said much the same back in the early 70s. But I saw with my own eyes what effect it had. They that ignore history are condemned to relive it, and we have here, in our own scaley gentlewoman proof that Mr Tait's attitude is still alive and well in the police force.

However, I'm happy to take your word for the benevolence of the Nelson police. If for no other eason than that I don't live there so I can't really say what the attitude is. BTW there is no BRONZ Nelson, so jibes at BRONZ are irrelevant. If there were it would be up to them to formulate a response, if they deemed it necessary.

**Big Dave** · 21st June 2010, 17:34

'BRONZ expense account' - good one.

**paulmac:Me** · 21st June 2010, 17:36

Since when in Nz are the police known as "po po" or flange !! Is this another american slang that people feel the need to adopt ? Sounds fucking stupid !
If I get a ticket it is because I have done something wrong. I know the rules and speeding, reg and wof are all something within our control,

**miloking** · 21st June 2010, 20:38

Originally Posted by paulmac

Since when in Nz are the police known as "po po" or flange !! Is this another american slang that people feel the need to adopt ? Sounds fucking stupid !
If I get a ticket it is because I have done something wrong. I know the rules and speeding, reg and wof are all something within our control,

I've heard term popo for years but localy they are more likely known as "those arrogant cunts" so thats why there might be some confusion....

And nobody said getting ticket is wrong but being pulled over for no reason or "hunch" is wrong...the end.

**Woodman** · 21st June 2010, 20:50

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

You could cut some slack to the poor old po po who has to pull you over because of this misguided direction from on high. Of course the "we're only following orders" defence didnt work and shouldn't work at Nuremberg, and shouldn't be accepted here.

Lets just get this straight: A reasonable, responsible tax and rate paying citizen, out and about on a perfectly legitemate recreational activity can be expected to be pulled over, harassed, and in fact targeted for harassment, based only on their preferred recreational vehicle: and some of you are OK with that? What the hell?. It is outright fascism, nothing more or less.

So no matter what their attitude is, they're wrong.

My God you really know how to blow things way way out of proportion. The Police in conjunction with the TDC and roadsafe are trying to help ffs.

Find a decent conspiracy theory like the moon landing or something if you want to make up stuff.

BRONZ......No longer have my support sorry.

**scumdog** · 21st June 2010, 20:55

Originally Posted by miloking

And nobody said getting ticket is wrong but being pulled over for no reason or "hunch" is wrong...the end.

Nice troll.

Cops always find the drunk driver without any reason to stop them - or stopping them on a "hunch"....(is a hunch a safe place to stop someone?

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**fossil** · 21st June 2010, 20:59

"However, I'm happy to take your word for the benevolence of the Nelson police. If for no other eason than that I don't live there so I can't really say what the attitude is. BTW there is no BRONZ Nelson, so jibes at BRONZ are irrelevant. If there were it would be up to them to formulate a response, if they deemed it necessary."

I am surprised there is no BRONZ in Nelson. Surely the hometown of the Minister for ACC would be a priority area to have a presence! Or is it that the locals have found that tee shirts come in colours other than black?

**miloking** · 21st June 2010, 21:07

Originally Posted by scumdog

Nice troll.

Cops always find the drunk driver without any reason to stop them - or stopping them on a "hunch"....(is a hunch a safe place to stop someone?

)

Nope, the drunk is driving erratically..so popo has suspicion that its a drunk and therefore reason to pull the person over...

Being on a bike itself is not a reason good enough to pull people over.... its just discrimination.

**scumdog** · 21st June 2010, 21:15

Originally Posted by miloking

Nope, the drunk is driving erratically..so popo has suspicion that its a drunk and therefore reason to pull the person over...

Mwahahaha....and how far is a cop meant to follow somebody before he can say "Ooo, his driving was erratic - NOW I can stop him!"?

(and not looking good for any new drivers/old people/tourists eh!)

TONS of drunks get pulled over well before their driving indicates they're drunk

So stop trolling

or stop being niaive/stupid........

**miloking** · 21st June 2010, 21:29

Originally Posted by scumdog

Mwahahaha....and how far is a cop meant to follow somebody before he can say "Ooo, his driving was erratic - NOW I can stop him!"?

(and not looking good for any new drivers/old people/tourists eh!)

TONS of drunks get pulled over well before their driving indicates they're drunk

So stop trolling

or stop being niaive/stupid........

If the drunk is driving well enough that you cant spot it right away then its likely not a drunk...if somobody is twice the limit or even just bit over limit you can tell they are drunk quite easily.

And i never troll...you should know that by now

(erm..pot meet kettle...comes to mind)

BTW funny that you mentioned that...but if new drivers/old people/turists are driving badly and you see it...you should put down your radar gun or donut or cock ..or whatever you are holding at the time and stop them and perhaps talk to them about it.

**scumdog** · 21st June 2010, 21:32

Originally Posted by miloking

If the drunk is driving well enough that you cant spot it right away then its likely not a drunk...if somobody is twice the limit or even just bit over limit you can tell they are drunk quite easily.

And i never troll...you should know that by now

(erm..pot meet kettle...comes to mind)

Wow, the booze-bus guys will be snapping YOU up and ditching all those un-needed breath-testing gizmos.....