Chance to have another go at the POPO

**rastuscat** · 21st June 2010, 08:48

Go on then have another go at the POPO for pursuing a cage driver.

One more chase, one more death.

Whose fault is it, the POPO or the perpetrator?

**wysper** · 21st June 2010, 08:56

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Go on then have another go at the POPO for pursuing a cage driver.

One more chase, one more death.

Whose fault is it, the POPO or the perpetrator?

Might just be me, but I blame the runner.

**MSTRS:Me** · 21st June 2010, 08:58

You got the reason wrong. I suppose it's still the filth's fault...but it's because they dropped the 4kph tolerance thing. Did you not see how many deaths in the last few days?

**CookMySock** · 21st June 2010, 09:04

Kids are kids, mate. They don't think. If the fuzz are going to chase them then they are going to run - it's 50% fun and 50% "it will never happen to me."

Adults must learn that kids aren't going to get it. You can't fix this. You have to find another way.

I don't get it - if the pigs have their rego plate then why not post the ticket to them in the mail? So fucking what if they don't to pull him over - build a fucking bridge.

If chasing them down is going to be a disaster then why do it, other than just on principle? I'd hazard a guess there is far more likely to be a horrific outcome in the chase-down then if they just let them go.

Why not apply legislation to fix it? Take the drink-driving situation for example - a driver refuses to supply a blood sample and faces a far more hefty fine than if they had just taken the hit. Why not have an "evading police" charge, where a vehicle clearly attempts to evade police then they face a far more hefty fine than if they just had stopped. Surely it's not hard to run a camera in the patrol unit? Why not just triple the fine for "failing to stop"? That will make them think.

Steve

**duckonin** · 21st June 2010, 09:18

Who cares anymore ? just suck it up, it happens to often same old same old..Police are never at fault !!

**rastuscat** · 21st June 2010, 09:21

Interesting reply DB.

The reg plate thing is reflected in KB threads. Have a look at the thread about evading S.118 of the Land Transport Act. Lots of people have made suggestions about how to beat the POPO request for drivers details.

Then there's another thread asking people to be honest about how they have evaded the POPO after being detected breaking the rules. And lots have admitted having done it.

There really is a number of complete conflicts in this issue. If you make the penalty for failing to stop greater, you increase the incentive to try to escape. If you stop the POPO from chasing, you simply encourage people to not stop. The ones who will suffer are the ones who comply with the law.

Then again, that's how it always has been. E.g. firearms laws don't stop criminals from using firearms, they simply make it more difficult for the law abiding to comply. Anti-smacking laws don't stop children being beaten to death, they simply remove an option on disciplining children from the law abiding.

Tickets only penalise the people who pay them. Higher penalties for not stopping just encourage people to not get caught.

I don't know what the answer is.

**The Stranger:Me** · 21st June 2010, 09:21

Originally Posted by rastuscat

One more chase, one more death.

Whose fault is it, the POPO or the perpetrator?

What is the role of the Police?
Despite them having several definable roles, either way you look at it they exist to keep the populace safe.
Surely this is yet another example of an unequivocal FAIL.

The definition of insanity - doing the same thing every day and expecting a different outcome.
Got to make you wonder doesn't it?

**Devil** · 21st June 2010, 09:23

This isn't a driving problem, or a police pursuit problem.
It all stems from youngsters not respecting authority. That is the issue that needs fixing.

**MSTRS:Me** · 21st June 2010, 09:25

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

Kids are kids, mate. They don't think. If the fuzz are going to chase them then they are going to run - it's 50% fun and 50% "it will never happen to me."
... Why not just triple the fine for "failing to stop"? That will make them think.

You really don't understand kids, do you. If they "don't think" then increasing/introducing a fine isn't gonna make any difference.
And this is ChCh...boi-racer capital of the world.

**scracha** · 21st June 2010, 09:25

It's a cops job to catch people. We should be like the states : if a cop, pedestrian or passenger is killed as a result of a pursuit (whether is the runner or the cops who kill someone) then the runner is charged with manslaughter.

**ynot slow** · 21st June 2010, 09:28

The kids who do a runner are thick idiots,probably in the slllllowwww class at school(if they went)but get this the only things they read and take in is when the police inspector says basically if speeds get too fast for the area the cops will abandone said chase,so these dipshits know go hard the cops will cancel the pursuit.

And most of these dipshits have no job,have $15000 fines and if caught get 3mths jail if community work hasn't been done satisfactory,(usually fines wiped at $100hr/community work)so they bleat about losing their car,tough shit losers.I have a $120 fine due in next 3 weeks or so,hmmm 1 hour community service please.

**bogan** · 21st June 2010, 09:36

Originally Posted by Devil

This isn't a driving problem, or a police pursuit problem.
It all stems from youngsters not respecting authority. That is the issue that needs fixing.

reckon that about sums it up, TPTB could change policy to make it a lot easier to respect cops, or the youngsters could take some personal responsibility, unfortunately we seem to be going in the opposite direction in both cases.

**rastuscat** · 21st June 2010, 09:43

I have a retro view on this. Years ago it used to be that people tried to get away for one of these reasons

1. Stolen car
2. Disqualified driver
3. Drunk or drugged
4. Wanted on warrant

You can't know why someone is failing to stop unless they actually stop or crash. Sad as that is, it's largely true.

I have no idea what caused this one, but these days it's impossible to know what caused the decision to try to get away. Young men give it a go for seemingly insignificant reasons, too many to list.

Then the cop goes under the cosh for chasing them in the first place.

Sad all round.

**rastuscat** · 21st June 2010, 09:43

I have a retro view on this. Years ago it used to be that people tried to get away for one of these reasons

1. Stolen car
2. Disqualified driver
3. Drunk or drugged
4. Wanted on warrant

You can't know why someone is failing to stop unless they actually stop or crash. Sad as that is, it's largely true.

I have no idea what caused this one, but these days it's impossible to know what caused the decision to try to get away. Young men give it a go for seemingly insignificant reasons, too many to list.

Then the cop goes under the cosh for chasing them in the first place.

Sad all round.

**CookMySock** · 21st June 2010, 09:47

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Tickets only penalise the people who pay them. Higher penalties for not stopping just encourage people to not get caught.

Maybe, but they do cause a massive amount of fallout within the family. Even if they don't get paid, I think you underestimate their usefulness.

Originally Posted by MSTRS

You really don't understand kids, do you. If they "don't think" then increasing/introducing a fine isn't gonna make any difference.

There's no need to be rude. Kids do think about fines and keeping their drivers' license - it's very important to them.

What they don't get, is how they are at risk. All kids think they are invulnerable - it's just how they are wired.

Steve