Chance to have another go at the POPO

[Taz]

It's just another dead person. He wasn't in my monkey sphere....

[onearmedbandit]

No one is saying don't stand up to authority, if that's your kick. And it was/still is mine. But don't go blaming everyone else when YOU fuck up.

[CookMySock]

Nah mate, you're right about kids being kids, but kids being kids means they'll just drive without a license, they already do!

Yeah well now we're talking about the adults being responsible. I'll let my kids break the law in very small amounts - we all do anyway, and we have a good idea about what is smart or wise, and we have the ability to think, and usually I'll give them a solid lecture, I mean safety briefing beforehand.

Steve

[Genestho]

Here's some perspective - Data is old and not applicable to this year - which is possibly not much use.

Police Pursuit Review 04 - 07
Injuries & Fatalities
The following information relates to recorded serious injuries and fatalities. In 99 percent of cases there was no serious injury or fatality associated with the outcome of the pursuit. In the 63 cases where crashes occurred, 106 people in offending vehicles were reported to have been seriously injured. Fatalities to those in offender vehicles accounted for 0.2 percent of all pursuit outcomes (10 crashes in which 12 people in offender vehicles were killed). There were no police officer fatalities from pursuits and only one reported injury crash, involving 3 police officers. Similarly, no other road users or pedestrians were killed during these pursuits, although 14 people not involved in the event were reported as seriously injured.

[Genestho]

YEAH i agree..it begins and ends with "me" the runner...but innocent people can still get hurt regardless of who is at fault! So are you happy to sacrifice those lives to get the the "speeder" or drunk or even the rapist behind bars?

I do believe I said "And no - I'm not advocating harsher penalties", there are other ways.

[Littleman]

no you didnt say that, i re-read the whole thread properly and it was someone else...so my bad for quoting your post.

anyway, tougher penaties are not a solution...

And i understand the "if you break the law, expect to be pulled over" and "if you run its YOU who endangers public" ...but the problem is it doesnt matter if the responsibility is yours or popos..

Innocent people died that had nothing to do with chase and they shouldnt have been put in that position by neither "runner" or popo....(not in this case i know but lots of passengers and people in other cars were killed before)

And since popo actualy has some responsibility towards protecting public they need to be the ones to stop the chase...if its too dangerous, and their training should tell them exactly at what point that is...

Perhaps if you got less hysterical and emotiional about the matter theres a chance(outside) that you might put a more cogent argument forward.

Deep breaths.

[Littleman]

What is the role of the Police?
Despite them having several definable roles, either way you look at it they exist to keep the populace safe.
Surely this is yet another example of an unequivocal FAIL.

The definition of insanity - doing the same thing every day and expecting a different outcome.
Got to make you wonder doesn't it?

Your logic is excellent if every pursuit resulted in a death I guess.

[schrodingers cat]

Your logic is excellent if every pursuit resulted in a death I guess.

Can we legislate for that?

I actually subcribe to the rule of law. Greatest good for greatest number etc. I'm not perfect. The police, being human, aren't either. I accept that. I'd rather have an imperfect Police force than none at all.

Please stop making excuses for 'young people' In life you make choices and accept the consequences - it's always been that way.
This young fellow made a bad choice. The law of the jungle got him - hard!

As always, my sympathy is with the family and the families of the two 'victims' he had in the car with him. As for him - he's dead and a far more effective lesson to his peers than any fine or whatever.

Have you ever noticed how every young person that dies is a promising model citizen?

It is a priviledge to use the roads - not a right. We all know the rules. We all make invidivual choices. We all accept that there consequences and that we don't always know what they will be

[The Stranger:Me]

Your logic is excellent if every pursuit resulted in a death I guess.

I was kind of hoping that the Police could learn before it got to that stage.

Here I was thinking the Police were out to reduce road deaths - The Police have to be about the 3rd or 4th leading cause of road deaths by now don't they?

[The Stranger:Me]

Fully agree here.

Uh oh, now I know I'm wrong.

[Rogue Rider]

We could learn alot from the USA. Over there they have several means to pursuits and catching crims. The Popo over there are very dedicated, and have no problem using force, and using force effectively.

Policing the roads requires common sense and sound decision making. They need to determine safe standards.

If a pursuit is going to occur, first they need to ascertain that it is safe to do so. If it is safe, pursue with the intent to stopping the vehicle. If the vehicle refuses to stop, chase should be withdrawn and helicopter or backup collected ahead. Follow ups at speed a sensless as it just makes driving and drivers more erratic.


in usa they use road spikes, helicopters, cars as weapons and forcing cars off roads, and guns. They seem to be affective, and not kill too many bystanders either..........................

Perhaps popo here should use more of the Eagle helicopter instead of pushing young dumb ass drivers.

[Littleman]

Uh oh, now I know I'm wrong.

I know we all enjoy stats.....

give us these ones. XXXX

[The Stranger:Me]

I know we all enjoy stats.....

give us these ones. XXXX

The stats for me being wrong? You know that's statistically insignificant - much like the number of times I've lied about cooking dinner.

[Woodman]

Can't blame the police on this, although what ixion says about it being complex is correct.

At the end of the day the cops requested by way of their sirens that these guys pull over.
They chose to ignore that request.
If they had pulled over one of them would be stilll alive.

There has to be a solution somewhere, but it cannot be in favour of the criminal. That is just wrong.

[CookMySock]

In 99 percent of cases there was no serious injury or fatality associated with the outcome of the pursuit.

What is a "pursuit" ? Is it when an officer turns his lights on and pulls a car over, or is it when he is involved in a high-speed extended chase?

Steve