Top 10 police traffic strategies

[Ixion]

well the common technique to prevent EMF interference is a grounded ferrous material around the electronic bits, all cars have this anyway, so I reckon it'd be well hard to stop an EMP. then again, a 200m range you'd want it to be pretty directional so as not to fry everyones cellphones/laptops etc, I reckon such an EMP device while do-able isn't practical for law enforcement, maybe military though.

trust me, trying to interfere with my magneto would be like trying to interfere with Helen Clark. Unpleasant and pointless.

[MarkH]

Bloody Irish have stolen MY idea:

3. StarTraq

Northern Ireland has recently adopted a system which, instead of fining or otherwise punishing, offers offenders the opportunity to take a driving course. Of course, those who seriously exceed limits will still receive cold, hard fines.

I'd love to find out how well this works though. Imagine educating INSTEAD of punishing, you'd end up with law enforcement that was almost civilised.

[Ixion]

Various states in the USA have been doing this for years. "Traffic school" they call it.

[Genestho]

I think you probably can't stop it. The professional get away car driver isn't going to stop no matter what . But, is the focus on runners obscuring the real problem ? The only reason the runner comes to the attention of the cops in the first place is that they are doing stupid shit. You can drive round for ages breaking all sorts of rules if you do so discretely, and no one will really care. Mostly polic e chase people ebcause they were behaving dangerously or stupidly before being chased.

Now, if the cops see them doing stupid shit, then, given that there aren't that many cops, and they can't be everywhere at once, you may be sure that they've done stupid shit a LOT before being spotted.

And the papers are full, every weeek , of reports of people dying because someone did stupid shit without being spotted and pursued. They just went out, did something stupid, no cops around, but they died anyway. The ones who die being pursued (or the bystanders collected) are a tiny percentage of the total stupid-shit toll.

So , really, is not the question "How do you stop people doing stupid shit" ?

Which you won't do with electronic gizmos. Because to use the gizmo the cop has to spot them. And , as per above, they'll have done an awful lot of stupid-shit (on average) before being spotted. If it's a race between stupid-shit-doer being killed , and stupid-shit-doer being spotted by cops, the odds will always be on being killed first.

So continue on, as is then....? (no consolation to those caught up)

You're right doing stupid stuff or not - is and has always been down to the individual, and it has been said a million times before, by all sorts of institutions both NZ and worldwide - that no legislation will work - if the individuals won't comply. Those individuals will always fall through the cracks, and that applies in all areas of life. No matter what you do.
Luckily - we still have legislational consequences despite that knowledge .

With some gizmos you can prevent people doing stupid stuff - it's already happening, with education - you can prevent people doing stupid stuff, with enforcement you can prevent people doing stupid stuff, and letting things unfold prevent other people doing stupid stuff.
Allowing the cops to do their job - prevents stupid stuff.


There's never a sole magic bullet to any problem - because of learning, upbringing and historical experience differences from each of us - doing the same things over and over as we've done and expecting different results is insanity - it is wise to be open minded and look at all the possibilities.

[Spearfish]

Bloody Irish have stolen MY idea:



I'd love to find out how well this works though. Imagine educating INSTEAD of punishing, you'd end up with law enforcement that was almost civilised.

We are free to educate ourselves now, just look at the learner system no compulsion to do anything.
Its completely up to us to do formal training at any level or style but who really does it?

None of this stuff will ever get used in NZ. When this gear goes online overseas the NZ police brass will try to reinvent something new at 10 times the cost with even less effectiveness than a traffic cop chasing after bike trying to shove a wooden broom handle through the spokes. Howard the broad will fold to the media like a limp piece of celery and say a review has been done and traffic units are being trained in the use of the "menacing stare" tactical option and they hope to roll out equipped units over the next two years starting with south auckland.

[shrub]

this one scares me...

"8. Automatic licence plate recognition
The ALPR system uses several cameras mounted on top of a police car to scan each number plate which comes in front of it automatically. Those numbers are almost instantly checked against a database to see whether the car is stolen, or if the owner is wanted. It looks forwards, sideways - for parking lots etc."

They're testing in OZ at the mo, & I can see our P.I.G.s taking it on as this could sky rocket their profits with no effort at all. What they don't mention here is its actually being used to check WOF's & vehicle licences, theft & wanted's are just side effects of the device as far as their concerned.

And it's a very short step to monitoring movement of citizens. "Mr Jones, what were you doing driving down Some Rd at 2.00 am?". Mind you, they are already pretty well able to do that with cellphones.

[Katman]

So , really, is not the question "How do you stop people doing stupid shit" ?

That's absolutely the question.

So what is BRONZ's policy on stopping motorcyclists doing stupid shit? And don't give me "It's not our place to stop motorcyclists doing anything" because if BRONZ don't make it their place to do something about it your organisation will achieve a grand total of nothing for the future of motorcycling.

[Madmax]

trust me, trying to interfere with my magneto would be like trying to interfere with Helen Clark. Unpleasant and pointless.

what about diesels as well pure mechs

[Scuba_Steve]

Why does it scare you..???

I'm sure you would be happy having your stolen bike or car recovered quick smart and the thieving cunts nicked with such a system.

Then you would probably think it was the best thing since sliced bread.

Simply because as said, it will not be used for good, it's main purpose would be to make $$$. Even with this system I would never expect to see my bike again if it were just the cops on the case.

[Ixion]

what about diesels as well pure mechs

Yes. Try using electronics to stop a Cummins diesel.Mech fuel pump, mech injectors.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I don't have a problem with the ALPR system as such, it is a very effective solution to catching lawbreakers. The problem I have is with the laws themselves, all this double yellow BS, ACC levies, stupid speed limits etc.

Personally I wait for the day of the AI, prolly number 1million on the list though, but AI's will fix all the corrupt and useless/ineffective laws. Maybe I read too much Neal Ascher

HELL No. I've watched Terminator too many times. Its Skynet, man!!

the upside is that when we are in full blown war mode with the machines, there will be no speed limits at all. I'm just saying.

[Blackshear]

Yes. Try using electronics to stop a Cummins diesel.Mech fuel pump, mech injectors.

But then again - how likely is this going to out-run a police car?
I'm not saying it's impossible, but let's be realistic here.

Personally, I'm not too fond of the GPS tracking and onboard retardants. That's just asking for privacy invasions and accidents.

[Ixion]

Outrun it ? I was thinking , more like run right over the top of it .

[p.dath]

this one scares me...

"8. Automatic licence plate recognition
The ALPR system uses several cameras mounted on top of a police car to scan each number plate which comes in front of it automatically. Those numbers are almost instantly checked against a database to see whether the car is stolen, or if the owner is wanted. It looks forwards, sideways - for parking lots etc."

I know someone involved in a device like this. Funnily enough they said one of the bigger problems at the moment is the system doesn't distingiuish how serious the offence is that the person is wanted for. So if they drive around with it on for a day they can get a week of paperwork to complete dealing with mostly minior offences (aka, WOF expired, etc).

They want it so that they can tune it so that it only alerts on more serious offences where they actually want to stop and apprehend the person.

[Blackshear]

Outrun it ? I was thinking , more like run right over the top of it .

Hey come on man, that's not even fair. You've probably got 10-12 tonnes up on the poor copper.