Thin edge of the wedge

[Mom]

I see the illustrious John Judge is ruffling a few more feathers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10654844

This is an interesting comment...

"So perhaps we should be levying them and give them rebates as they improve their performance."

So he throws this out to the doctors, why cant he apply the same to the bikers?

I reckon I would be in a credit situation if that were the case.

Are we sure that John Judge is not a loose cannon?

[Katman]

I see the illustrious John Judge is ruffling a few more feathers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10654844

This is an interesting comment...



So he throws this out to the doctors, why cant he apply the same to the bikers?

I reckon I would be in a credit situation if that were the case.

Are we sure that John Judge is not a loose cannon?

Sounds fair to me.

[Mom]

Sounds fair to me.

Of course Myth's office has come out saying they know nothing about it and it wont happen, but the question now should be why not?

See this is sort of my point. There should be one rule applied over the entire organisation.

[bogan]

loose cannon, or deliberately creating discontent with ACC?

I don't understand why the other parties aren't going against it. If theres no opposition to what national is doing, then regardless of what the public do, ACC is fucked, labour has said some things at the protests, but thats about all I've heard from them.

[Mom]

I don't understand why the other parties aren't going against it.

Because they all actually agree in large parts with what is happening with and to ACC. Dont be fooled by protestations by any party to the contrary. This (the changes to ACC) is a fundamental erosion of one of the wonderful differences that NZ has to the rest of the world. We live in an increasingly litigious society, people are more and more ready to take civil action against others for reasons both legitimate and important, but increasingly for vexacious and vindictive reasons.

We gave up the right to sue on the promise of being taken care of.

Actually I want to change the title of this thread from the thin edge of the wedge to

Someone is taking a log splitter to ACC and we need to stop it!

[bogan]

Because they all actually agree in large parts with what is happening with and to ACC. Dont be fooled by protestations by any party to the contrary. This (the changes to ACC) is a fundamental erosion of one of the wonderful differences that NZ has to the rest of the world. We live in an increasingly litigious society, people are more and more ready to take civil action against others for reasons both legitimate and important, but increasingly for vexacious and vindictive reasons.

We gave up the right to sue on the promise of being taken care of.

Actually I want to change the title of this thread from the thin edge of the wedge to

Someone is taking a log splitter to ACC and we need to stop it!

Thats what I mean, if tptb and the potential ptb all agree on this course of action, what can we do against it? the public are apathetic sheep when things don't directly concern them, and more often than not even if things do they will just have a wee whinge then do as they are told.

[Mom]

Thats what I mean, if tptb and the potential ptb all agree on this course of action, what can we do against it? the public are apathetic sheep when things don't directly concern them, and more often than not even if things do they will just have a wee whinge then do as they are told.

Yepper, but I am not comfortable sitting back and taking this, and interestingly enough neither are many of my peers. This is biting on so many levels, and so many people are not happy in their own little sphere of reality. Imagine if we can bring a few of these groups together?

[Katman]

I'll happily stand up and say that I'm sick and fucking tired of paying for the repairs to fuckwits.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[bogan]

Yepper, but I am not comfortable sitting back and taking this, and interestingly enough neither are many of my peers. This is biting on so many levels, and so many people are not happy in their own little sphere of reality. Imagine if we can bring a few of these groups together?

I aint happy about this either, I spose what I'm getting at is that I don't want to waste time and get stressed over something if I don't think there is any reasonable chance of me making a difference.

In saying that, I think the idea of bringing all the groups together as one is a very good one, distribute the organising and maximising the turnout to any actions.

[Ixion]

Interestingly, there was (is?) provision within the act for a specific levy on doctors to cover the costs of medical mistakes (sort of , like we get levied for the cost of our mistakes. Actually, exactly like). But it was never implemented. The doctors were too powerful. Too many mates in high places.

Yepper, but I am not comfortable sitting back and taking this, and interestingly enough neither are many of my peers. This is biting on so many levels, and so many people are not happy in their own little sphere of reality. Imagine if we can bring a few of these groups together?

But, when they tried to do exactly that in Wellington, it totally flopped. The only people who turned out were the bikers.

I suspect that a lot of people aren't exactly happy about the way ACC is going. But, they are unhappy enough to be willing to do anything themselves . They'll politely acknowledge someone else doing or trying to do, something about it. But that's all.

Again, exactly like bikers at present. "Yeah, sucks , mate. Me, do something about it? Well, I'm a bit busy, but you go for it."

Oh well, Rome was not built in a day.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Oh well, Rome was not built in a day.

its because I wasn't on that job...

[Ixion]

Yeah , but it didn't fall down the next day, either

[Mom]

But, when they tried to do exactly that in Wellington, it totally flopped. The only people who turned out were the bikers.

I suspect that a lot of people aren't exactly happy about the way ACC is going. But, they are unhappy enough to be willing to do anything themselves . They'll politely acknowledge someone else doing or trying to do, something about it. But that's all.

Well I am not giving up, call me fool if you will, but I think the reality is only beginning to bite for most bikers. The others that we speak of will take a lead from a dedicated and strong lobby/protest group. You must know by now that only a few stand up to be counted, some like yourself stand up for a long time, month after month and take a huge amount of shit at times, some come as a flash in the pan to support an action that affects them. Some of us are reborn to this protest thing for Bikers Rights, some of us have things that prevent us from really getting stuck in. There are some that eat what is happening, they will support a big UP YOU protest, but take the knocks and move on. They are NOT happy though, of that I assure you, it would not take much to inflame them back into action. I am one who considers myself a bit of a pilot light, who keeps things burning, but who has a hell of an incendiary device attached that has the ability to deliver one hell of a bang when the time is right.

[bogan]

Well I am not giving up, call me fool if you will, but I think the reality is only beginning to bite for most bikers. The others that we speak of will take a lead from a dedicated and strong lobby/protest group.

Well put me down as a follower, to welli that is, or possibly aucks if theres gonna be a huge action.

[Ixion]

Well I am not giving up, call me fool if you will, but I think the reality is only beginning to bite for most bikers. ..

I don't think anyone is talking about giving up (hell, you are talking to the countries walking billboard for not giving up, no matter how lost the cause - monarchist, communist, Christian, still not given up on any of them). But I am beginning to wonder if we're getting ahead of the marketplace . If, perhaps we need to be focusing more on education, until more people understand the why of the protests. Bikers as well as general public.