to write a complain letter or not. (rant)

[Beemer]

"And spud as said above there is a lot of difference between "going a bit fast back there" and actually naming a number. the first is like a questioning statement while naming a number is an accusition. How would you feel if someone accused you of something you hadn't done? Also would not naming a speed in such excess of the posted limit only highten the amount of stress on the driver being pulled over??"

At the risk of being abused, when being pulled over, your hearing is one of the first things that goes haywire - you know the feeling "oh my god, I've been pulled over, what was I doing wrong?" so PERHAPS you didn't hear him correctly. I've found most cops say something like "do you realise what speed you were doing back there?" or "that was a bit quick don't you think?" - I've never had one say "you were doing xyz speed" unless I was being given a ticket - and that comes after he says your're getting one!

I wouldn't bother writing because all you are going to do is waste your time and theirs and maybe just make them keep an eye out for you in the future. You weren't driving, you weren't being accused of anything, the driver was. If she feels significantly peeved about it, get HER to write in. I got done for going through an orange light many years ago - I was charged with going through a red so I contested it and took it to court. The police altered the charge to going through an orange light (bet you didn't know that was an offence that carries the same penalty as going through a red) and the police prosecutor said that the cop had 15 years' experience and therefore my judgement wasn't as good as his and I lost. I had been writing letters to the police to get red light cameras installed in Wellington but I wasn't even allowed to produce those letters - "because they weren't relevant".

Considering you didn't get a ticket and the cop didn't argue that you WERE doing the speed he allegedly stated, I would shut up and count my lucky stars you didn't get an arsehole who wanted to make your life a misery!

[aff-man]

[I]"And spud as said above there is a lot of difference Considering you didn't get a ticket and the cop didn't argue that you WERE doing the speed he allegedly stated, I would shut up and count my lucky stars you didn't get an arsehole who wanted to make your life a misery!

Prepare for abuse . No our hearing wasn't impared as all 4 people in the car heard it and were just as "surprised" he said it.

Counting lcuky starts has nothing to do with it , we were withing our rights were doing nothing wrong the vehicle was in good order with a warrent and rego so there is no lucky stars about it.

HE WAS VERY POLITE IN FACT man i am getting crucified on this but it's NOT about being pulled over at all, and i will probably / most definatley not be bothere writing a letter........................................is there someway to delete this thrad cause noone (except me) seems to have a problem with a poilce officer lying to them .

Oh and scumdog. there is a bit of a difference between saying 200km/h and 84km/h because he said it not in a "joking" manner but as if we had actually been doing that speed.

[Ixion]

...is there someway to delete this thrad cause noone (except me) seems to have a problem with a poilce officer lying to them .
...

I see the problem. I'm also curious where the 84kph CAME from. I can understand a cop saying "I reckon you must have been going at least 80kph there" , ie a "round number" estimate. But 84kph is VERY exact. As if he was getting set up for a bust, then changed his mind when he realised there were too many witnesses.

But - in fairness, do cop radars maybe have a "wake up and show speed" mode where they come out of 'sleep" when they detect an illegal speed and show the speed? In which case he might have noticed "Ah , SOMEONE'S doing 84 kph. But I didn't notice who. I'll rattle this driver and see if she admits to it". Which is a bit less worrying. Don't know if that's how the radar things work though, I thought they had to point them at a target.

[MSTRS:Me]

....is there someway to delete this thrad cause noone (except me) seems to have a problem with a poilce officer lying to them .

I do too but know you are wasting your time trying to prove it. File it in the Be PoliteTo'emButDon'tTrust'em drawer

[bikerboy]

The "complaint" is really quite pathetic and it doesn't warrant comment other than to point out its patheticness.

Gee, a cop that feels it's perfectly fine to illegally detain the public "just in case".....will wonders ever cease?

So called random stops are nothing more than a pathetic attempt to find someone guilty of something. There is nothing random about them, as Aff-man pointed out, a car of young people, out late, must be up to something illegal, out of date rego, learners license etc, just because they didn't do anything wrong is no reason not to stop them right, officer?

To stop, search or otherwise detain a person for no reason other than "just in case" is illegal. That's why they have the breath testing stop where EVERY car on a particular road at a particular time is stopped. Not just the guilty looking ones, same with rego/wof checks.

Talk about pathetic.....

[scumdog]

Gee, a cop that feels it's perfectly fine to illegally detain the public "just in case".....will wonders ever cease?

So called random stops are nothing more than a pathetic attempt to find someone guilty of something. There is nothing random about them, as Aff-man pointed out, a car of young people, out late, must be up to something illegal, out of date rego, learners license etc, just because they didn't do anything wrong is no reason not to stop them right, officer?

To stop, search or otherwise detain a person for no reason other than "just in case" is illegal. That's why they have the breath testing stop where EVERY car on a particular road at a particular time is stopped. Not just the guilty looking ones, same with rego/wof checks.

Talk about pathetic.....

Harden up, I pull over heaps of cars 'just in case' and get a 'hit' more often than not.
Shitty looking car driven by shitty looking person = good chance of no reg/wof/lic. and probably something unsafe, normally backed with the driver having a shitty attitude...

Anywhere-any time with me, no b.s. reasons needed or given, not sure where the 'illegal' part is as mentioned above.

Complaints? Waiting my first one.

[Ixion]

..
To stop, search or otherwise detain a person for no reason other than "just in case" is illegal. ..

No it's not. Whether it should be is another matter. Police may stop any motorist at any time to check WOF , rego, driver's licence. And detain the driver for up to 15 minutes for the purpose of establishing identity. No execuses needed.

Also a constable may stop ANY person and require them to provide name address and (I think) occupation. Though no right to detain, and no law about having to PROVE name etc.

And we won't even get into the powers under the fireqarms act, misuse of drugs act and a bunch of others . And customs, immigration and inland revenue ahve even more powers than the police.

Ah, liberty , what crimes are committed in they name.

[scumdog]

No it's not. Whether it should be is another matter. Police may stop any motorist at any time to check WOF , rego, driver's licence. And detain the driver for up to 15 minutes for the purpose of establishing identity. No execuses needed.

Ah, liberty , what crimes are committed in they name.

Eh?, shit man, I've been letting them drive off when I could have held them up for about another 139 minutes!!


Ya weren't quick enough to edit THAT out!! ("154 minutes")

[marty]

Gee, a cop that feels it's perfectly fine to illegally detain the public "just in case".....will wonders ever cease?

So called random stops are nothing more than a pathetic attempt to find someone guilty of something. There is nothing random about them, as Aff-man pointed out, a car of young people, out late, must be up to something illegal, out of date rego, learners license etc, just because they didn't do anything wrong is no reason not to stop them right, officer?

To stop, search or otherwise detain a person for no reason other than "just in case" is illegal. That's why they have the breath testing stop where EVERY car on a particular road at a particular time is stopped. Not just the guilty looking ones, same with rego/wof checks.

Talk about pathetic.....

blah blah blah. read the land transport act before making a dick out of yourself again

[Lou Girardin]

Maybe he had a speed check and was unsure which vehicle it was. Your outright denial convinced him it was the other vehicle. Maybe he was fishing for an admission. Who knows, but there are worse things to worry about with the Police and Justice system these days.
At least he didn't write a ticket based on the speed he saw.

[justsomeguy]

I think he may have simply asked you the question to see what kind of response the driver would have given.......and the corresponding body language, etc.

One of those rotten mind games things.......

And don't deny it...... I know you cops use it.
And good on you too -- what ever helps you catch the bad guys is OK with me.

[mikey]

i was trying to hold together an not write in my million bukcs worth but

I used to own a skyline, always hada wof/reg/never drunk driving/ an had full licence even insurance some times it was a lowered over boosted by more than double, turbobeast with an exhaust that was as far from legal. huge exhaust an few holes i nthe exhaust for extra ""POWER"" - anyway in the 3 long months of owning it i got pulled over more about 60 times give or take a few.

The worst 24 hour period i got pulled over 8 times. i already a tad on the mental side an this put me over in the paranoid state. iu calmly went an tallked to senior sarge at lower hutt. said it was all legal an so on. an i had no proof.

bought a cheap video camera. filmed 2 hours of cops pulling me over ""randomly"" pulling me over. well i didnt passengers did. would of been dangerous driving or some bs.

cops didnt like the camera, would be told to put it away but had smart ass mates at uni who knew there rights an so on. cop would try an wind us up, get someone to throw a punch then arrest us all, nomal cop behaviour around here.

after there questions for licence/rego/breath/wof i would politely ask them to state there name or badge number for the camera, if a rude remark resulted, i would say and say hello to senior sergant something an then go an get cops number plate.

we had abnout 2 hours footage each seen being about 5-10 minutes depending on howe thick the cop was.

went back in to cop shop with a letter an copy of video for senior sarge.

it went something like

THIS IS BLATANT FUCKING HARRASSMENT

I CANT FUCKING AFFORD TO BE PULLED OVER 3 to % times a day

get a call from him saying he watched fist 5 miuntes an that ill be done for wasting police time and to let them do there job an so on


power tripping fuckiong wankers

couldn do anything so i sold car an got a bike

havnt been pulled over by a cop once ""touch woody"" well ive been knocked off by a HP car but that doesnt count.

anyway.

them be the breaks of being a boy racer under current legislation.

[Coldkiwi]

bummer Aff. this must be at least the 2nd time you've had cops lie to you about road behaviour?
I can see why you're a bit het up about it. Like you say, random check for WOF.. no problem. Random accusation of speeding .. sounds suspect. ( I know I get very nervous and a guilty complex if pulled over).

Porblem is, I doubt you've got an officers number to write in about?

[WINJA]

winja could get done for impersonating a PERSON............

DONT BE A DICK I JUST DONT THINK ITS WORTH COMPLAINING ABOUT LITTLE THINGS .I WANT COPS TO PULL OVER PEOPLE FOR SPOT CHECKS WHEN THEY TARGET DRINKING AND DRIVING, I DONT CARE IF I SIT IN A LINE OF TRAFFIC WAITING TO BE BREATH TESTED , THIS IS GENUINE LIFESAVING POLICE WORK , I HATE DRUNK DRIVERS.THE PIG DID NOT GIVE OUT A TICKET HE MAY HAVE GOT IT WRONG BUT HE BACKED DOWN SO NO DAMAGE DONE

[scumdog]

DONT BE A DICK I JUST DONT THINK ITS WORTH COMPLAINING ABOUT LITTLE THINGS .I WANT COPS TO PULL OVER PEOPLE FOR SPOT CHECKS WHEN THEY TARGET DRINKING AND DRIVING, I DONT CARE IF I SIT IN A LINE OF TRAFFIC WAITING TO BE BREATH TESTED , THIS IS GENUINE LIFESAVING POLICE WORK , I HATE DRUNK DRIVERS.THE PIG DID NOT GIVE OUT A TICKET HE MAY HAVE GOT IT WRONG BUT HE BACKED DOWN SO NO DAMAGE DONE

C'mon man, you're starting to sound like the rest of 'us', where is the WINJA of old?? have you lost your soul man? what happened?

Seriously, once again you summed the whole thing up.