to write a complain letter or not. (rant)

[Ixion]

.. 1998 was a recodification to tidy up a statute messy with amendments - am pretty sure that that the ability to stop any motorist arose in a amendment prior to this...

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The ability of police to detain for 15 minutes [double checks, yes correct 15] was actually a fallout from INCIS. Originally all police cars were going to have laptops in them. And the ability to download the digitised photo-licence photo, so that the cop could determine if the guy claiming to be John Smith actually looked at all like Mr Smith. But, the RF connections of the day were not fast, and some trials determined that the download would be a slow business. The law then said that a motorist had to give name and address etc. But it was thought that without specific statutory authority, the police might not have legal right to make the motorist wait while the download downloaded. So the 15 [check, 15] minute period was built into law.

In the event INCIS karked it, the police never got their laptops, or the ability to view the pretty pictures, which could nowdays be downloaded in about one minute. But the 15 minutes remains enshrined in law, and doubtless ever will be. Despite it being now largely pointless. That seems to be the way the law works.

[StoneChucker]

Hell, if I'm going to pay $120 (for example), I atleast want my money's worth! 15 minutes is nothing, the cop could talk to me for longer I reckon! Tell me how his day's going maybe

[scumdog]

Wow, what a thread...

So many interesting things said, and interesting (if perhaps predictable) responses.








As to Mikey's post - I'm not sure if there is a line in the sand as to when being pulled over becomes too much? If I was in his position, I'd collect evidence too, but rather than making a harassment complaint, I'd try and get it noted on the computer system that the car has been pulled over previously, and is OK. Whether this would stop being pulled over, I don't know, as calling in details seems to happen at the same time as pulling a car over. But it could stop delay once pulled over, and is less confrontational, so perhaps more likely to be workable? [Could the cops here tell me if I'm talking out my ars* on this one?] I agree with Mikey suggesting that them can be the breaks if you or your car are of a certain type - Scumdog is most likely right that there is a correlation between dodgy appearance and actual dodgyness.

[/überpost]

I often pull over the same car more than once a night, particularly a Saturday night and even more so if it is a larrikins car, after all (as I tell them) if they thought I was only going to stop them once a night then after that stop they would let drunk/disqualified/unlicenced people have a drive eh??

[WINJA]

I often pull over the same car more than once a night, particularly a Saturday night and even more so if it is a larrikins car, after all (as I tell them) if they thought I was only going to stop them once a night then after that stop they would let drunk/disqualified/unlicenced people have a drive eh??

AND PULLING THEM OVER TWICE GETS YOU 2 BLOWJOBS

[Ixion]

Warm tonight, don't you think ?

[Lou Girardin]

Benjamin Franklin.......

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety..."

"Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature."

"A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins."

Beware of people who claim to be helping you, while they put you in chains. ……….One link at a time.!

Thank you for posting this.
It's amazing that a country that produced this man has descended to it's present state.

[Lou Girardin]

The cops, of all types, have always had the right to stop any person on any road and require name and address. They also have the right to ensure that information is correct. We used to take as long as we needed to do so.

[spudchucka]

Screw you buddy, you calling my torso the centre of mass, on a 172kg bike??? Get stuffed, I'm not THAAAAAT fat

With the ergonomics of an R1 they'd be better off waiting till you flew past them and then aiming it at your butt, now there's a centre of mass!

[bikerboy]

No it's not. Whether it should be is another matter. Police may stop any motorist at any time to check WOF , rego, driver's licence. And detain the driver for up to 15 minutes for the purpose of establishing identity. No execuses needed.

Yes the police have a right to stop you for checks for the above reasons only. When stopped the officer must state why you are being stopped, just a rego check, you were speeding etc. not I don't like the look of you or your car so I'm stopping you mate. There is no law against having a bad attitude, a rough looking car etc. Speed is always the excuse cause it is their word against yours, and for you quote buffs, " the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

That's the problem here. There are rules and proceedures to protect the public from abuse, discrimination, harassment, etc. If you feel you were treated badly you should write in. Yes most likely nothing will happen but as the public complains the bosses will eventually have to act.

A while back a few guys were detained and questioned by the police because they "looked suspicious". While questioning them the police began searching the vehicle cause they "smelled" drugs. They found two joints I think. It went to court, and a Judge threw it out cause "looking suspicious" was not a crime nor a legal reason to detain, therefore the search was illegal.

Some of you might be outraged, grow up, the judge was right. The real reason these guys were stopped was because they were Maori, poor and driving a dodging looking car. Had the officers approached them for a rego check, and then discovered the drugs, highly unlikely as the guys were not high at the time, then that's fine. A fine line perhaps but so is the difference between living in a police state and living in a state with police.

We, at least most intelligent people, want the police to do their job legally. That doesn't mean making up things, lying, or hastling people. There is enough crime to solve without that kind of attitude.

I agree with Aff-man, it is the fact the man was dishonest, why lie, because he is a person of such pathetic character, he saw no reason to be honest afterall it was just a bunch of kids.

The ease with which most people dismiss the lack of integrety of this officer is the real worry. As it has been stated before, " Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"

[marty]

why do you we always stick our heads in the car to read the WOF?

[scumdog]

AND PULLING THEM OVER TWICE GETS YOU 2 BLOWJOBS

Only if it is a busy night and two is all I have time for....

[Coldkiwi]

well said BB

[aff-man]

Cheers BB that was well said

[Indoo]

A while back a few guys were detained and questioned by the police because they "looked suspicious". While questioning them the police began searching the vehicle cause they "smelled" drugs. They found two joints I think. It went to court, and a Judge threw it out cause "looking suspicious" was not a crime nor a legal reason to detain, therefore the search was illegal.

You do realise the counter side to that though, if Police didn't stop people who looked suspicious how many criminals do you think would be caught, it would be free reign to car thieves, burgulars and the like. Unless your suggesting Police just stop them on the pretext of a 'warrant' check.

[Phurrball]

I often pull over the same car more than once a night, particularly a Saturday night and even more so if it is a larrikins car, after all (as I tell them) if they thought I was only going to stop them once a night then after that stop they would let drunk/disqualified/unlicenced people have a drive eh??

South Otago only really brings two towns of any size to my mind, and if you're posted in either of those SD, then this is an understandable response given the special and unique 'culture' of some South Otago youth

At least South Otago ain't Gore (Which even has its own special word for cruising the main drag - doing 'domes' so I heard )