Traffic Law - Access to your property

[The Stranger:Me]

In summary, until you can invent a time machine, don't break the law, and you won't get caught.

Or simply don't speed. I mean what's the odds of actually getting caught for any crime other than speeding in NZ?

Pretty fucken slim.

[SMOKEU]

Funniest sight is a drunk 'jumping' (more like scrambling clumsily) over fences and think they're fast enough to get away..

It's even funnier when the delta units get them, right?

[miloking]

Or simply don't speed. I mean what's the odds of actually getting caught for any crime other than speeding in NZ?

Pretty fucken slim.

Are you realy just saying... or simply dont speed but shoplifting is fine? (kind of makes sense since most cops are at the bottom of the hill with laser gun...instead of where they are actualy needed)

[miloking]

I have lost a NG on a 5 minute delay. I know of losses (or wins - depending which side you're on) on much less (like 2 minutes), so an hour later is unlikely to be even tried. IF though, they turn up, say 'were you driving?' and you're dumb enough to say yes, then blow in the bag by consent, you will have a tough time getting off (and yes people have done this and gone down for it)

And the cops can turn up and kick your door in any time they like. Whether they'll get away with it is another thing....

My Dad always taugh me "deny..deny...deny" and if you get caught "red handed" doing it...DENY! (talking about infidelity not realy a crime but anyway)
So i wont be stupid to admit anything if someone asked "were you driving", but under 2 minutes is pretty harsh for you guys....i would be happy with 10-15 minutes but i guess it makes the "game" more fun for all participants..

[The Stranger:Me]

Are you realy just saying... or simply dont speed but shoplifting is fine? (kind of makes sense since most cops are at the bottom of the hill with laser gun...instead of where they are actualy needed)

Shoplifting? Is that even a crime these days?
I mean it's not good behaviour, but lets face facts, it's not exactly speeding is it?

Example of an actual case:
You have your car broken into by some idiot that's seen too many American movies and thinks all you do is grab any 2 wires, bare them, rub them together, they spark and the engine starts and you drive off. Well it doesn't, so they walk away. Will the cops attend? Not a chance. Odds of getting caught 0.

Now had numpty actually stolen my car and sped away past a Police car there would have been a full on Police chase involving 3 cars and a chopper - at least up until 1 minute before the accident. As we all know all Police chases are called off 1 minute before any accident. Either that or it may well have resulted in the shooting of some poor innocent passer by.

[miloking]

Shoplifting? Is that even a crime these days?
I mean it's not good behaviour, but lets face facts, it's not exactly speeding is it?

Example of an actual case:
You have your car broken into by some idiot that's seen too many American movies and thinks all you do is grab any 2 wires, bare them, rub them together, they spark and the engine starts and you drive off. Well it doesn't, so they walk away. Will the cops attend? Not a chance. Odds of getting caught 0.

Now had numpty actually stolen my car and sped away past a Police car there would have been a full on Police chase involving 3 cars and a chopper - at least up until 1 minute before the accident. As we all know all Police chases are called off 1 minute before any accident. Either that or it may well have resulted in the shooting of some poor innocent passer by.

You are totaly right, speeding is one of the worst crimes out there i was just blind all those years, did you know that the earth is moving at 107,000km/h thru space so we should all be in for some realy heavy demerit point deductions!

... hey one more thing as i was just reading your post i had one of those "brain moments" and i just figured out since all police chases do indeed end up in accident 1 minute before they are called off...wouldnt it be better if police never called off any pursuits? Think of how many lives it could potentialy save!

[Berg]

380+ road deaths last year vrs 68 murders yet out of a staff of over 10,000 only about 600 are dedicated traffic units. Just imagine the outcry if we had 380+ murders. The traffic guys are just far more visible and are usually the only contact most people ever have with police which is why people seem to think that's all police are interested in.
Also have a dig into government funding to NZ police. You will find it has been cut every financial year for decades. I accept they cannot be everywhere and all things to all people. I also accept we have a massive problem with road attitude in NZ (just read how many in here have been hit or knocked off) so an effective road police force is reqd.
Just my thoughts on the matter

[Owl]

all police chases do indeed end up in accident 1 minute before they are called off...

That's not what he said!

[Usarka]

Stopping cars for speeding is an overall crime strategy for the NZ police. Their thinking is that it's easier to stop a random car and see if there is a stolen TV in the backseat rather than doing all the investigation/prevention stuff.

In the news today; a guy with a mobile P lab in his car just got busted during a routine traffic stop.

[miloking]

That's not what he said!

oh my bad i see what i wrote now... of course meant all chases end up being called off before accident..

[scumdog]

Or simply don't speed. I mean what's the odds of actually getting caught for any crime other than speeding in NZ?

Pretty fucken slim.

And what are the odds of getting caught speeding?

Also pretty fucken slim..

[MSTRS:Me]

And what are the odds of getting caught speeding?

Also pretty fucken slim..

Time and place, eh?

[st00ji]

i guess the trouble is if you speed everywhere, sooner or later you go past one of those 600 :P

[Winston001]

Well and thats where you get into the slightly grey area of "fresh pursuit" ...so if popo lost a sight of the "fleeing rider", and they were heading in a general direction of the riders house...can popo just turn up hour later and kick the door down? What about two hours...or two days?

It has to be reasonably fresh in the sense that the police are following a trail and/or know where the offender is headed.

I remember a chap once who abandoned his car and headed off into the paddocks. Police dogs out and the constabulary knew who he might be from the car registration. They caught up with him 2 hours later at his home still in "fresh pursuit"....

To make matters worse, he had a couple of quick whiskeys when he got in the door - not knowing that the law deems the blood/alcohol level at the time of test to be the same as at time of driving. That's to avoid the obvious defence "oh I've had a few drinks since driving..." Not allowed. Bummer.

[Banditbandit]

It has to be reasonably fresh in the sense that the police are following a trail and/or know where the offender is headed.

I remember a chap once who abandoned his car and headed off into the paddocks. Police dogs out and the constabulary knew who he might be from the car registration. They caught up with him 2 hours later at his home still in "fresh pursuit"....

To make matters worse, he had a couple of quick whiskeys when he got in the door - not knowing that the law deems the blood/alcohol level at the time of test to be the same as at time of driving. That's to avoid the obvious defence "oh I've had a few drinks since driving..." Not allowed. Bummer.

I knew a guy in Chch who got away with just that ... got home ahead of the boys in blue - when they arrived, he opened the door with a bottle of whiskey to his lips, having a good long pull .. they tested him and took him to court .. and then had to admit to the Judge that they had seen him with the whiskey bottle and drinking, just before they tested him ...

He was found not guilty as the judge ruled that the police had no way of knowing the blood/alcohol level at the time me mate was driving - only the level after they had seen him drinking in his own home ... and the police had no idea how much he had drunk at home ...