Boxing Day Special - Average Speed Cameras coming our way!

[Toaster]

We then have two choices - 1. exercise our inalienable human right to enjoy life as we see fit while doing no harm to anyone* and accept the concequences when we get caught or 2. Stay within the law while we fight to have the laws changed.

See thats the thing, you dont have the right to do as you see fit.

Laws govern what ALL of us can and cannot do for the sake of the wider public good.

The fact that many ignore these laws, from burglary to dangerous driving, puts the rest of us in harms way.

Sadly often is the case that when some do as they choose because they think they have a right to, at some point it will hurt the innocent, including their own families.

[SPman]

See thats the thing, you dont have the right to do as you see fit. unless you are a politician

Laws govern what ALL of us can and cannot do for the assumed sake of the wider public good.

The fact that many ignore these laws, from burglary to dangerous driving, purportedly puts the rest of us in harms way.

Sadly often is the case that when some do as they choose because they think they have a right to, at some point it will hurt the innocent, including their own families.

The fact that a law exists, doesn't necessarily mean that it is for the wider good of the community, that it is fair, just or is of any use other than to enforce or protect a point of view or position of power.

[scumdog]

The fact that many ignore these laws, from burglary to dangerous driving, puts the rest of us in harms way.

Sadly often is the case that when some do as they choose because they think they have a right to, at some point it will hurt the innocent, including their own families.

Yup, for some it seems the laws of any sort are, most of the time, inconveniences that at times might cost them money.

Until it suits them to be outraged by being negatively affected by the actions of 'somebody else' doing exactly the same thing...

[Bonez]

"She said speed was the biggest killer on the roads."

No shit, if you're not moving you're unlikely to cause a crash.

Try standing in the middle of a lane of traffic.

[SMOKEU]

Try standing in the middle of a lane of traffic.

If the vehicles aren't moving then a crash is unlikely.

[skinman]

Oh must be an Auckland motorway then.

[swbarnett]

See thats the thing, you dont have the right to do as you see fit.

Yes I do. I'm talking about the right to exist, to be who I am without hinderance as long as what I respect others right to do likewise.

I have spent the better part of the past 40 years thinking I was responsible for the lives everyone else on this planet simply because I was born. Believe me, this simply doesn't work. A great weight has been lifted from my shoulders since I stopped apologising for existing.

Laws govern what ALL of us can and cannot do for the sake of the wider public good.

If only that were true. In a perfect world I'd agree. However, we live in a flawed world where the laws are often flawed also. As long as someone acts in accordance with what I've said above I see no need for any law beyond their use as a guidline where it is not immediatly obvious how to act with respect for others in a given situation.

The fact that many ignore these laws, from burglary to dangerous driving, puts the rest of us in harms way.

If the law is an accurate guideline to the only respectful cause of action then yes. If the law points to only one possible respectful cause then maybe. If the law is just actually wrong then no.

Sadly often is the case that when some do as they choose because they think they have a right to, at some point it will hurt the innocent, including their own families.

If I do something simply because I think I have the right to irrespective of how it affects others then this is a very real possibility. However, if I am respectful of the rights of others then no harm done.

[swbarnett]

Try standing in the middle of a lane of traffic.

If the traffic is not moving, no problem. Without speed of at least one party you can't collide.

[Swoop]

Interesting.
If there is a danger area on a road, the "authorities" had the mandate of placing a speed camera there to alert the driver to the hazard (remember the mantra that "speed cameras will only be located at accident black spots" when they were introduced?).
The average-speed camera system has absolutely nothing to do with road safety. The "proposed" desert road location might have some individual dangerous corners, but to target an entire stretch of road is simple confirmation of another agenda... tax gathering.

Overseas usage of these systems confirms the same thing. Luckily we are many years behind and could benefit from their wisdom, but alas we will be forced to waste more taxpayers' money for the insane whims of retards with blue suits.

[Laxi]

Yes I do. I'm talking about the right to exist, to be who I am without hinderance as long as what I respect others right to do likewise.

yeah but laws are needed because not everybody has respect for others, ted bundy, the mansons, E.T.C, in their minds they wern't doing anything wrong, and the law just got in their way

[Bald Eagle]

This is definitely about safety not

Out of 55 fixed speed cameras in New Zealand, seven are on State Highways and 10 are on roads which had fatal crashes this year.

55 - 7 - 10 = 38 cameras in locations which are not state highways and which did not have fatal crashes so those 38 are either doing a real good job of stopping fatal crashes or an even better job of collecting revenue.


The top earning fixed camera was on State Highway 1 at Sanson, where more than 9800 tickets were issued in the first nine months of the year.
The next top three locations for tickets issued were mobile sites in Auckland - in Otahuhu, Birkenhead and Henderson - each responsible for about 5000 tickets. Otahuhu had one fatal crash.

[MarkH]

Harder to get pinged for a momentary slip up with them...

This is what I was thinking - a quick spurt of speed to overtake and then back to normal speed, on average you are doing fine. This would work out even better if you are held up by a slow bugger doing 80 through the corners, once it's safe to pass you can go pretty quick during overtaking and still average 100kph or less.

[James Deuce]

Speed Cameras are being pulled out en masse in the UK, including the average time ones, as they cost money to administer (despite figures to the contrary in NZ) and have NO effect on incident and fatality stats.

Having said that, NZers are such shit drivers that cameras probably do make money overall. They won't do anything to incident or fatality figures but they do make money so more will go in.

Little hint for you.

State Highways, 1, 2 and 5 are pretty heavily policed, both "real" police and via camera. Don't be a tit when you're on those roads and you'll be sweet.

[Ocean1]

average 100kph or less.

I believe systems in the UK can and do ping you for elapsed times greater than the theoretical "best time" from point to point. This, based on the theory that it's "unlikely" that you could manage that time and not speed at some point. I don't know what they consider unlikely but any law change that allows fudges like that is the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.

Speed Cameras are being pulled out en masse in the UK, including the average time ones, as they cost money to administer (despite figures to the contrary in NZ) and have NO effect on incident and fatality stats.

If by "administer" you mean replace every time they're destroyed then yes, they've become very administratively expensive. We must be bloody good buggers here eh?

[FruitLooPs]

The top earning fixed camera was on State Highway 1 at Sanson, where more than 9800 tickets were issued in the first nine months of the year

Bloody Sanson, my brother came back from overseas with his wife - took them up from CHCH to Taupo to see my Grandad in the cage. I drove the whole way, until Sanson stopped and let him take over .. get back from the trip to find a ticket waiting Worked it out with google maps he had been driving for all of a 2minutes before the ticket (on the way out of Sanson towards Taupo), so he paid What a prat though, I seem to recall a large straight between the end of the populated town and the 100KM sign (think it was 70 in a 50, he certainly wasn't doing that in the town proper).

He hasn't been done for speeding before or since, nor I.