New rules from Aunty Helen coming

**Lou Girardin** · 17th June 2005, 08:15

The 3 strikes rule applies to drink/driving offences only, does it not?
And the 40 over and walk will just encourage more runners. Victoria is 30 and over, any bets on when we get that?
But all this persecution is working, isn't it?
The road toll is only 26 up on last year.

**TonyB** · 17th June 2005, 08:35

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

And the 40 over and walk will just encourage more runners. Victoria is 30 and over, any bets on when we get that?

I suspect you're right. Those that speed will probably still do it, as many believe it is both safe and their right. If the penalties become heavier and heavier they will just get better detection equipment and try to run when able.

**Sparky Bills** · 17th June 2005, 08:57

Originally Posted by Lee Rusty

Also for exceeding blood alcohol levels of 130mg/100ml (currently 160mg/100ml)

also 3 strikes and your out law for drink driver who commit 3 offences in 4 years. on the third offence vehicles will be impounded for 28 days, licence to be suspended for more than a year meaning offenders will need to resit their practical driving test at the end of disqualifcation period.

And Fair enough too!!
I cant stand it when people complain after getting caught drunk behind the wheel!
Just more stupid people!

**placidfemme** · 17th June 2005, 09:27

Originally Posted by Sparky Bills

And Fair enough too!!
I cant stand it when people complain after getting caught drunk behind the wheel!
Just more stupid people!

I agree, there should be zero tolerance for people who drink drive...

**Lou Girardin** · 17th June 2005, 09:40

Originally Posted by placidfemme

I agree, there should be zero tolerance for people who drink drive...

Unless of course you're using one of the new asthma inhalers that cause people to blow positive after a puff!
Or you've had a sip of cough syrup with alcohol in it.
Still want zero tolerance?

**Ixion** · 17th June 2005, 09:57

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Unless of course you're using one of the new asthma inhalers that cause people to blow positive after a puff!
Or you've had a sip of cough syrup with alcohol in it.
Still want zero tolerance?

Or eaten a liquor chocolate
Or just come from Mass.
Or been cleaning something with methylated spirits.
Or lotsa other stuff

Be very very careful what ye wish for where politicians are concerned because tis certain that when they give it to thee (as they do subtle pun here ) thou wilt not like it.

**Beemer** · 17th June 2005, 10:58

Originally Posted by crazylittleshit

"Goodbye licence" Just another reason to vote for magilacartyserious Patry. (Please excuse spelling?)

McGillicuddy Serious Party I think! But what we really need is for someone in power to ride bikes - and I don't mean John Banks/Harley type people! I mean someone who seriously understands the problems we face and is willing to do something about it.

The problem is, most of the people in power are academics rather than REAL people so the things they worry about don't concern us and vice versa!

**eliot-ness** · 17th June 2005, 11:22

Originally Posted by Ixion

Or eaten a liquor chocolate
Or just come from Mass.
Or been cleaning something with methylated spirits.
Or lotsa other stuff

All of which are temporary aberrations and clear before the second test, (unless you are trying to hide something) Testing now is very sophisticated, Not so many loopholes as there was a few years ago.
So far the speed limits remain the same. Only the penalties have changed. The only ones who will suffer are the ones who are responsible for the changes. Remember, road rules are not aimed at bikers,they apply to everybody, car drivers, bikers, and even cyclists. If you continue to flout them be prepared for ever increasing penalties. It's a no win situation.
For those of you who think they are being unfairly targeted. On the road it's the fastest moving target that gets hit the most, bike or car. Keep the speeding for the back roads. It won't cost so much.
On the subject of politics. Does anybody really want Don Brash in power???

**Pixie** · 17th June 2005, 11:34

Originally Posted by Lee Rusty

from Jan 16th 2006
Police will be able to suspend driving licences at the roadside for 28 days for people exceeding the posted speed limit by 40kph (currently 50kph)

THe thing that will need to watched here is speed through road works, if a posted speedlimit of 30kph, driving through at 71 kph will be 28 days of walking.
.

Also for exceeding blood alcohol levels of 130mg/100ml (currently 160mg/100ml)

also 3 strikes and your out law for drink driver who commit 3 offences in 4 years. on the third offence vehicles will be impounded for 28 days, licence to be suspended for more than a year meaning offenders will need to resit their practical driving test at the end of disqualifcation period.

It's because there's too much compliance to the existing rules -revenue is dropping so they need to make it easier to find law breakers.
I predicted this!
For my future prediction I forsee random fluctuating speed limits,you'll never know if you are exceeding the limit

**Pixie** · 17th June 2005, 11:37

Originally Posted by Gremlin

What gets me is that you speak to any average person (on the ferry or whatever) and just about every one says the country is going down a shithole, Helen is evil etc.

BUT SHE IS STILL IN POWER...

Where is this hidden voting block...

Please ,refering to The Prime Minister by her first name is disrespectful.

In future use her correct title:The Hagg

**XP@** · 17th June 2005, 12:05

Originally Posted by Pixie

It's because there's too much compliance to the existing rules -revenue is dropping so they need to make it easier to find law breakers.
I predicted this!
For my future prediction I forsee random fluctuating speed limits,you'll never know if you are exceeding the limit

We already have those in wellington... goin down SH1 what will it be today... 60, 80 or 100???

fortunatly there ain't many places for the cops to hang out and where the camera is maxes out at 80, and I don't think it adjusts when the limit is chopped to 60... anyone know?

Roadworks: 30kph is usually gravel, doing 30 on gravel scares the willies out of me! It is SO dangerous doing that kind of speed on gravel, cos you just can't control where you are going, every stone trys to throw you off. now 70kph, different story, all is sweet, ridin atop and much more control. And then the speed limit on narrow twisty gravel roads is 100kph. Maybee they should up the speed by 20kph when no work is being done.

As for the drink driving... agree with the zero tolarence.

**JohnBoy** · 17th June 2005, 12:20

Originally Posted by Lee Rusty

THe thing that will need to watched here is speed through road works, if a posted speedlimit of 30kph, driving through at 71 kph will be 28 days of walking.

bloody good job! theres no excuse for speeding through roadworks.
we dont put up those signs just for the hell of it, its for everyones safety.

on the highways the speeds are set by the safe lane width, eg:
30k, 2.75m lane width
50k, 3.00m lane width
70 & 80k, 3,25 lane width
100k, 3.50m lane width

**sAsLEX** · 17th June 2005, 13:01

What is shit is that SH1 has been a pice of crap for how many years now!?, with constant 80k limits cause there are cones on the side of the road, no roadworkers for 90% of the time just cones?! on our coutries major lifeline, the artery of the country is being clogged just like all the overwieght children...

**placidfemme** · 17th June 2005, 13:19

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Unless of course you're using one of the new asthma inhalers that cause people to blow positive after a puff!
Or you've had a sip of cough syrup with alcohol in it.
Still want zero tolerance?

Thats different, the person can demand a blood test (which the cops will happily oblidge to), and that will prove them innocent, they can also show the cops the inhaler or cough mixture... cops arn't totally stupid and use a fraction of common sense... unless your being abusive to them...

I don't drink. I'm not asthmatic, and when I'm sick enough to need cough mixture (like 2 weeks ago) I don't ride my bike... because if the cough mixture has even a slight amount of alcohol in it, then it "can" make the person drowsy... so they shouldn't be riding anyway...