Announcement on ACC funded $2m scheme

**Paul in NZ** · 23rd January 2011, 17:34

Im hearin ya Mom....

**Katman** · 23rd January 2011, 17:41

How to achieve results at zero cost............

Originally Posted by Pussy

If a few riders left their egos at home, it would drastically improve the statistics.
Wouldn't cost 2 million bucks, either

**riffer** · 23rd January 2011, 17:51

The MSL is a FUND, taken from our levies, and motorcyclists are in charge of it. What more do you want?

BRONZ don't have access to the money, nor do Ulysses, or WIMA, but people who are members of those groups ARE WATCHDOGS.

Also, THEY WILL NOT BE PAID FOR THEIR APPEARANCES. Members are compensated for their attendance expenses at the standard ACC rates.

Every member of the Council is a MINISTERIAL APPOINTEE, not an appointee from the organisation, ergo if the member from Ulysses resigns there is no guarantee another representative from Ulysses will replace him.

**Mom** · 23rd January 2011, 18:33

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

I have a VERY bad feeling about this. I'm sure all these worthies are fine upstanding people despite at least two of them treating me a little shabbily (IMHO) in the past. Hey - shit happens and I'm not exactly your mainstream biker type.

What worries me is who looks out for the thousands who dont buy new bikes and dont use bike shops much? Last time I asked about a training course it was all good until I mentioned I was going to turn up on a 40+ year old bike.... um....

I dont want to ride around africa or attend a track day - I just want to bubble along slowly on my old shitters.... cheaply....

With any luck I wont disgrace myself tomorrow...

Originally Posted by eelracing

Mainstream biker type?...no such thing I reckon.

But check this outfit out,they are offering an excellent course and $50 to $95 off the price (ACC subsidised)to Wanganui/Manawatu riders.

http://www.prorider.co.nz/motorcycle...s.php?course=4

Not ANOTHER ALREADY subsidised ACC safety initiative already in existance surely?

Originally Posted by riffer

The MSL is a FUND, taken from our levies, and motorcyclists are in charge of it. What more do you want?

BRONZ don't have access to the money, nor do Ulysses, or WIMA, but people who are members of those groups ARE WATCHDOGS.

Also, THEY WILL NOT BE PAID FOR THEIR APPEARANCES. Members are compensated for their attendance expenses at the standard ACC rates.

Every member of the Council is a MINISTERIAL APPOINTEE, not an appointee from the organisation, ergo if the member from Ulysses resigns there is no guarantee another representative from Ulysses will replace him.

Bless you for being out here talking about this in a positive light. I have no more bling for today.

**Usarka** · 23rd January 2011, 19:03

Originally Posted by Mom

Can you back those numbers up? I like them.

Was kind of seat-of-pants ACC-style stasticising, but I've looked them up again..... Some are a few years old though...

I've rejigged slightly with comments and updated figures:

Cancer - 153/week (2009?) Source: Cancer Society
Suicide - 9.2/week (2007) Source: Ministry of Health 2010 Social Report
Cars - 5.1/week (2008) Source: NZTA
Murder - 1.9/week (2009) Source: NZ Police Statistics 2009
Bikes - 1/week Source: Nick Smith
Pedestrians - .6/week (2008) Source: NZTA

PS - please double check these links/figures if you're going to use them!

**fossil** · 23rd January 2011, 22:37

[QUOTE=Mom;1129964813]There is some hearsay evidence that no discussions on how the MSL is divided up is allowed, though that is denied by members of that committee.

Wow, I trust you will back this up and call them liars on tv tomorrow.

"Especially after expenses are levied against the fund. I read that all expenses are paid from general funds. But, clever accounting will ensure that expenses find there way to the "BIKER CRASH" fund."

If you have proof they are outside the stated terms of reference I suggest you contact the serious fraud office, or is innuendo MAG-NZ'ds modus operandi.

**Maha** · 24th January 2011, 04:30

I thought innuendo was some sort of medical paste for a diarrhoea blockage?

**Usarka** · 24th January 2011, 06:42

"Or give us a call if you don't like motorcyclists"

Fuck off Breakfast and your weak attempt at biased sensationalism. Get a real journalistic jobs Corin, and Petra go back to shit reality tv shows. We're better off reading the womans weekly, thats where they get half their material from anyway.

**Oakie** · 24th January 2011, 06:57

Originally Posted by Usarka

"Or give us a call if you don't like motorcyclists"

Fuck off Breakfast and your weak attempt at biased sensationalism. Get a real journalistic jobs Corin, and Petra go back to shit reality tv shows. We're better off reading the womans weekly, thats where they get half their material from anyway.

Did you note the txt response on the ticker underneath the picture ... "Motorcyclists are temporary citizens anyway". Hardly original but perhaps there is an attitiude there that we are of less value as people than other road users. Perhaps some of the 2 mil could be thrown at that perception?

**The Stranger:Me** · 24th January 2011, 07:22

Originally Posted by MadDuck

What a crock of BS (nicely put Avgas) once again I seemed to have missed why I am being taxed $30 a year for something...that something I am really not sure what.

Do you know where the other tens of thousands of your tax go?

**Nasty** · 24th January 2011, 07:24

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Is this from the $30 'safety levy'? Or is it extra from general ACC funds?

That it is

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...t-picks-Morgan

I think the article begs the question on how much these people are being paid of the $2 mil to set up these intiatives - but that is more of a Question to parliament to get the answers first. Chairing a group and even participating there are huge costs are these to come out of the amount set aside.

We have already seen to happen with other govt intiatives that heaps of the money is spent on the committee and set up with way less than should going to the programmes.

**Fatt Max** · 24th January 2011, 07:43

Just watched the reply of this article on the TV One web site, nice one Mom.

As for Petra, who the fuck does she think she is, skinny little tart....that woman needs a big black dog up her and a family size mince and cheese in her, I quote:

....maybe put on a bit of weight......

Thats extreme weightism that is...how many fat bikers have caused accidents? I'll tell you, none....the only accidents we have is when we eat a dodgy Mrs Macs at a servo, hit a bump in the road an hour later and have an 'accident' of the pants variety....

So fuck off Petra, what do you know......

Rant over, oooh look a servo, wonder do they have a pie warmer...???

**riffer** · 24th January 2011, 08:22

Originally Posted by Nasty

That it is

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...t-picks-Morgan

I think the article begs the question on how much these people are being paid of the $2 mil to set up these intiatives - but that is more of a Question to parliament to get the answers first. Chairing a group and even participating there are huge costs are these to come out of the amount set aside.

We have already seen to happen with other govt intiatives that heaps of the money is spent on the committee and set up with way less than should going to the programmes.

Let's make one thing clear.

NONE OF THE MONEY FROM THE MSL LEVY GOES TOWARDS THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

do you understand yet?

All of their expenses are being met by ACC. This has been mentioned countless times. When are you going to start listening?

edit: This is not personally against you Kari - if people had actually read the info they'd already know that all the expenses are met out of ACC's funds, not the MSL. That money is exclusively for MSL initiatives, which will be open to tender through the GETZ system.

**Nasty** · 24th January 2011, 08:26

Originally Posted by riffer

Let's make one thing clear.

NONE OF THE MONEY FROM THE MSL LEVY GOES TOWARDS THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

do you understand yet?

All of their expenses are being met by ACC. This has been mentioned countless times. When are you going to start listening?

thanks for making that clear - I had not seen it - so obviously can not be listening ... but that only answered part of what I asked ...