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[The Stranger:Me]

I highly doubt there is really any regular member on Kiwibiker that is an example of the bad road behavior and racing attitude that you highlight.

There are at least 4 that I can think of that fit the bill.

[racefactory]

There are at least 4 that I can think of that fit the bill.

OK excluding me that's only 3 then

[BoristheBiter]

Can't argue with that.

I believe if there is a serious problem with road users, namely motorcyclists who are using the roads as a race track... then there is obviously a problem with:

1. Awareness of access to race tracks.
2. Costs of accessing a race track.

I reckon if you stopped all the delinquent knee-down on the roads riders for a second, the vast majority wouldn't know how to get to a track or where to look for information. Not everyone wants to get serious join some fucking club, community forum, school or other commitments in order to just blitz around for some laps. There needs to be easy information in front of them.

You can't change the culture, it's just the nature of males- wanting to go faster and faster, taking more and more risk. Maybe not for you oldies, but for us young guns it almost always is. Effectively show them the appropriate place to satisfy this need. Just because we lot stuck into the message boards think it's easy to find an opportunity to get on track it does not mean others do.

To be so young and naive.
No matter now much track time someone has there will aways to the dick that thinks the road is a race track.

myself and my mates went as fast as i could everywhere before you were even a twinkle in your dads nutbag.

It comes down to thinking of consequence. when your young there is none, as you get older you understand the effects of your actions and change, well some do.

[Scuba_Steve]

To be so young and naive.
No matter now much track time someone has there will aways to the dick that thinks the road is a race track.

myself and my mates went as fast as i could everywhere before you were even a twinkle in your dads nutbag.

It comes down to thinking of consequence. when your young there is none, as you get older you understand the effects of your actions and change, well some do.

So what your trying to say is you been there done that now no-one else should be allowed to? "do what I say Not as I do" right?

[racefactory]

It may not stop it but I reckon it would have a pretty major effect. Just think, when they want to take that roundabout knee down they might instead think ''fuck it what's the point, I'll be going down for laps tomorrow''

[BoristheBiter]

Where did I say anything about not caring if I die. What exactly are you smoking and where did you get it?
I did say that the impact my death may have on others is not going to influence my thinking in my actions and that I'm happy that my kids will be taken care of if I do(call it responsibility). That's quite different from not caring.
NO ITS NOT it's symantics.

Now I can see where the simple amongst you may well be tempted to consider some random possibility (a motorcycle taking out a child - I'm still waiting for the stats on this one by the way) as a credible threat. We've even had the gun nuts on KB wanting to ban motorcycles because someone could swing a claw hammer from a rope whilst riding thus killing an innocent bystander - yes, this happend on KB, go look in the gun nut threads - actually come to think of it, you'd fit right in over there, logic is not their strong point either.

The simple fact of the matter is - it doesn't happen or is so infrequent as to say it doesn't. If you really are that upset about the dangers to kiddies about 500 kids & infants die a year in NZ from real causes. Wouldn't you be better employed saving these kids from the real threats?

Do you wear a helmet, armour in your gear? Why? you're not going to fall off, not much chance anyway.

So why wear all this gear??

[BoristheBiter]

So what your trying to say is you been there done that now no-one else should be allowed to? "do what I say Not as I do" right?

it was in cars not bikes but that is no excuse.
like i said the older you get the more you realize now much what you do can effect others.

Look at smoking, when i was at school everyone smoked, now i think i know one person that still smokes, same as drink driving.
Yes i was young and stupid and luckily i survived, some friends didn't.

If you want to roll the dice of chance then get the fuck off the road or don't complain if someone is doing the same coming the other way and takes you out.

[MSTRS:Me]

There are at least 4 that I can think of that fit the bill.

Is that all? There's a few still here, that at least used to be that way. And a few who are not here. Anymore.

It comes down to thinking of consequence. when your young there is none, as you get older you understand the effects of your actions and change, well some do.

If they survive...

It may not stop it but I reckon it would have a pretty major effect. Just think, when they want to take that roundabout knee down they might instead think ''fuck it what's the point, I'll be going down for laps tomorrow''

Really? You DO understand impulse control?

[Scuba_Steve]

it was in cars not bikes but that is no excuse.
like i said the older you get the more you realize now much what you do can effect others.

Look at smoking, when i was at school everyone smoked, now i think i know one person that still smokes, same as drink driving.
Yes i was young and stupid and luckily i survived, some friends didn't.

If you want to roll the dice of chance then get the fuck off the road or don't complain if someone is doing the same coming the other way and takes you out.

So you were worse than most yet are here preaching to others what we can & can't do. Sounds very self righteous to me.
& When I "roll the dice of chance" the ONLY person I'm taking a chance with is ME!

[BoristheBiter]

Ha Ha, Funny hats.


Not even these idiots can slow me down!!!

In fact, Katman, Batman, superman or wonder woman couldn't either as I have no self control when I get on my bike. And if 30 grand in fines over 18 years wont slow me down, only a sudden impact will. But my job on the road is 10 times more dangerous than my speed, as I see at least 5 complete and utter idiots in cars a day on the road. It will be one of them that kills me first!
I have never seen an accident whilst out on the bike nor have I had one, but in the last 14 years in my job I have pulled two people from destroyed cars, I've been rear ended twice, seen two cars slide off the road and I'm nearly killed at least twice a week by dumb fucks who don't know the road rules. If ya want to save people, go on a cycling website. Those idiots ride on State Highways, two abreast with no consideration to any other road users. They get full cover from ACC and free cycleway networks that they don't even use half the time, And who pays for all that? Not them, they spend their money on fucken gay cycle suits that would never protect them in any type of accident!

So because i have seven resisted vehicles i shouldn't ride a push bike on the road??
What about my dirt bike no rego there but i still get full cover.

The problem is not what we are driving/riding at the time it is the attitude.

[BoristheBiter]

So you were worse than most yet are here preaching to others what we can & can't do. Sounds very self righteous to me.
& When I "roll the dice of chance" the ONLY person I'm taking a chance with is ME!

No i have just grown up. sounds like you need to too.

[Katman]

So what your trying to say is you been there done that now no-one else should be allowed to? "do what I say Not as I do" right?

The reality is that what some of us used to get away with 30 years ago cannot be gotten away with today.

For a start, the volume of traffic on the road today is nothing like it was back then.

[yachtie10]

So because i have seven resisted vehicles

Bit of a stretch mate and not just the bad spelling

do some work

[The Stranger:Me]

Do you wear a helmet, armour in your gear? Why? you're not going to fall off, not much chance anyway.

So why wear all this gear??

Dude, quit while you think you are ahead.

Allowing for the possibility of death (say by way of insurance and estate planning) is not the same thing as not caring. It's realising that you're mortal and being responsible (you will note that responsible is pretty much the opposite of not caring) for the family that I bought into this world.

My daughter thinks I'm mad (as she asserts all motorcyclists are) and will die on a motorbike. That's her opinion and she may well be correct. But just as I respect her choices and opinions she respects mine. Her opinion does not change my attitude to riding. This also is not not caring, it's making a choice - my choice. Just as I wouldn't try and impose my choices on her I'm not about to have hers imposed on me.

And of course I wear gear - as stated previously, I'm in no hurry to die and this is consistent with that attitude.

What's your point?

[Mad-V2]

From my experience trackdays don't slow you down. I used to get free track time at Taupo Racetrack when ever I wanted. Once finished I would get off the track and 100kph would feel like walking, soon enough I would find myself sitting on around 150kph cruising.
As for cyclists, they are dangerous on main roads. It's like walking on the motorway....STUPID! and riding side by side is even stupider!!!
Dirtbike riders usually ride on the dirt and wear alot of gear to protect them if they come off, not a Lycra suit. I'm talking about ROAD users. All road users pay some form of Tax to pay for maintenance and roading upgrades where cyclists pay nothing. In Hastings the council are about to spent around a million dollars on cycle lane improvements which my tax dollars are going to pay for, and when they don't use them properly, The increased Rego costs we are hit with will pay for their injuries. ANY vehicle on the ROAD should have to pay to use the road and cyclists simply should not be on the open road.