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[miloking]

Don't go thinking you're anything special.

And besides, the rules are 'he who gives the first red loses' - so you lose.

Well then you lost like 5 times to me mate! All the reds you gave me over past year, so much hate...where is the love

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah, that's it when you've lost the argument, run out of talent and all else fails turn to personal insults.
You're a real winner.

Works for you.

[Katman]

Well then you lost like 5 times to me mate! All the reds you gave me over past year, so much hate...where is the love

Yeah, but you're special.

[avgas]

Another prime example of Godwin's Law.

Did you know the cake is a lie!

[Edbear]

Another prime example of Godwin's Law.

I agree with the OP and the Katman-esque view. Certainly my view of motorcyclists and motorcycle-related crashes has changed (more enlightened I feel) after lurking these forums for a while.

I haven't been riding for very long but I seem to have noticed a strange phenomena where the riders going the opposite direction to me seem to be doing a fine enough job, but the majority of the ones that I find going the same direction as me like to run red lights, overtake over double yellows, lanesplit at 40-50km/h faster than the surrounding traffic and generally try to ride their way to an early grave. Maybe I don't see the ones travelling the opposite direction for long enough...
Sure cars exhibit some of the same behaviours, but they don't have as much to lose. I wouldn't say I'm a perfect rider/driver but I try my best to ride defensively and I think it's saved my skin many times (just once makes it worthwhile). Everyone likes to think they're an above average driver/rider, but by definition half of us would have to be below average (maybe this should be a poll...). There's a lot of talk and camaraderie on this forum on riding defensively, yet I still see so many reckless riders. Where do they come from? Are all the KB'ers perfect and it's the non-KB'ers that are the problem? The poll about accidentsincidents in the other thread suggests KB'ers are far from perfect so I'd say there's no difference. There also seems to be some contradictory fellows who seem to think they ride 'well' and 'carefully' by only using the back-roads as an unofficial drag-strip in the early hours... but that's another kettle of fish.

I tend to agree more and more with Katman's views the longer I hang around here. Sure he can be a bit extreme at times, but sometimes that is what is needed to for people to start seeing where someone else is coming from and to shift their views, if only a little.

So from me, a huge +1 to Katman.

tl;dr I agree with Katman.

Not me, I'm perfect...!

[R-Soul]

riding within the limitations of the anticipated worst case scenario.
That would make the speed limit unsafe.
There could be a car/cow/baby in the middle of the road around any blind corner, I should do 30kph everywhere I go just in case.

In NZ at least, the speed limit is the maximum speed, not the compulsory speed. You are supposed to approach each corner on its merits, and ride to the conditions.

[The Stranger:Me]

Works for you.

Why thank you, I thought so too.
The difference you see is that my insults display wit, style and intellect.
It's just a shame you lack all 3.

[BoristheBiter]

Why thank you, I thought so too.
The difference you see is that my insults display wit, style and intellect.
It's just a shame you lack all 3.

Coming from you I will take that as a complement.

[MSTRS:Me]

com·ple·ment/ˈkämpləmənt/
Noun: A thing that completes or brings to perfection.
Verb: Add to (something) in a way that enhances or improves it; make perfect.

[PrincessBandit]

Yeah, but you're special.

Holy shit, don't tell him that - he'll think that's "special" in a good way...

Not me, I'm perfect...!

Aww, halo polishing time Mr Bear!

com·ple·ment/ˈkämpləmənt/
Noun: A thing that completes or brings to perfection.
Verb: Add to (something) in a way that enhances or improves it; make perfect.

hahaha, I before E ooops, I instead of E perhaps

[Edbear]

Holy shit, don't tell him that - he'll think that's "special" in a good way...


Aww, halo polishing time Mr Bear!



hahaha, I before E ooops, I instead of E perhaps

Well, doesn't the Halo just complement me so well...? Thanks for the compliment...

[MSTRS:Me]

My work here is done...

[DEATH_INC.]

I tend to agree more and more with Katman's views the longer I hang around here.

In the perfect world of Katman his views may well be correct.
But as we are all different, we all ride for different reasons.
If I rode as per the Katman book I'd be bored shitless, and probably fall asleep and crash.
Others like this style of riding.
I know full well the risks of my riding ( I've seen the results of making mistakes) but I'm willing to take them.
It's the same part of us that makes us run when we could walk, or ride a horse when we could run, or take a car instead of a horse, or a plane instead of a car.
The same thing that makes us climb mountains, dive to the bottom of the ocean, jump out of planes and off cliffs, blah, blah ,blah.
I really think that if you wrap yourself in cotton wool your whole life, you may as well be dead.

Ok, back to the insults

[BoristheBiter]

In the perfect world of Katman his views may well be correct.
But as we are all different, we all ride for different reasons.
If I rode as per the Katman book I'd be bored shitless, and probably fall asleep and crash.
Others like this style of riding.
I know full well the risks of my riding ( I've seen the results of making mistakes) but I'm willing to take them.
It's the same part of us that makes us run when we could walk, or ride a horse when we could run, or take a car instead of a horse, or a plane instead of a car.
The same thing that makes us climb mountains, dive to the bottom of the ocean, jump out of planes and off cliffs, blah, blah ,blah.
I really think that if you wrap yourself in cotton wool your whole life, you may as well be dead.

Ok, back to the insults

Thats all correct but it is the ones on here, and others, that do this then have a nice cry when something doesn't go their way.

And this was what the thread was about in the first place, got a bit lost along the way.