Power to weight restriction

[chasio]

Yeah, but you're still allowed to ride the little beasties above 70 km/h (if you can get it up there...), ride between 10 pm and 5 am, take a pillion, etc. All of this without even having a learners motorcycle license. You just need a full class 1.

Is that right? So despite the fact that I'm a n00b with 3 months experience on 2 motorised wheels, my 20 year old 1F allows me to ride ride at 100kmh with a pillion at 3am? I'd be one of the "aged over 30" statistics waiting to happen if I did that.

Frankly I'd shit myself carrying a pillion at 100kmh, but I can see situations where bypassing the 6L restrictions would be handy e.g. occasional school runs or working late.

Are you 100% certain that the 1F takes precedence over the 6L on those things? Bloody handy if so...

[Ixion]

ONLY, repeat ONLY on a moped! And only for a few months more.

If you can get a moped up to 100kph with a pillion , you may find the poice asking some searching questions about the declaration that was made when it was registered.

[rwh]

Even if your headlight was smashed in the accident it can still be determined if the light was on or off.

I thought that was only if it was smashed - they can tell whether the filament was hot when it broke/burnt out (it would burn out with the bulb broken if it's on, and may or may not break if it's off).

If the bulb isn't broken, it will cool down in the normal way, and you won't be able to tell when it happened.

That's my understanding, anyway.

Richard

[chasio]

ONLY, repeat ONLY on a moped! And only for a few months more.

If you can get a moped up to 100kph with a pillion , you may find the poice asking some searching questions about the declaration that was made when it was registered.

Thanks for setting me straight. I can see if I'd read a bit more carefully than hopefully I'd have got that first time! Just as well they're closing the loopholle on mopeds, too.

Yeees, 100kmh 2-up out of 2kw does seem a tad unlikely

[dummer]

Its gotta suck if you just got one of the 250's that have been excluded..

Yeah...

Don't understand why they exclude all 2 stroke 250 as with most 2 stroke 250 are Jap 2nd hand import, they are restricted to 40/45hp anyway. With a dry weight of 134kg, they should still fall inside the 150kW/1 tonne

Sorry...I know I will be bias...

[Tank]

Yeah...

Don't understand why they exclude all 2 stroke 250 as with most 2 stroke 250 are Jap 2nd hand import, they are restricted to 40/45hp anyway. With a dry weight of 134kg, they should still fall inside the 150kW/1 tonne

Sorry...I know I will be bias...

I dont think they will exclude all 2-strokes. Just some that are specifically listed like they do in OZ. If it falls under the limit you will still be good to go.

[dummer]

I dont think they will exclude all 2-strokes. Just some that are specifically listed like they do in OZ. If it falls under the limit you will still be good to go.

I mean those race replica 250 specified in the list in OZ... We are not getting the euro version NSR/RGV here...not like RS250 which has 70hp out of the factory, Jap emission law has limited all the jap 2-stoke to 40/45hp(forgotten 40 or 45) max...just like CBR600RR local jap version has less power than our local one.

[BLazeD]

Stupid "only these bikes" rules, I just got my learners and will be getting an exemption.

A f*c$ 1 year on restricted for over 25's!

[Ragingrob]

Remember that these rules aren't even nearly certain to come into force AT ALL yet mate!

[McDuck]

Stupid "only these bikes" rules, I just got my learners and will be getting an exemption.

A f*c$ 1 year on restricted for over 25's!

On what grounds? Take the chip off your shoulder and remember that the rules are there to (try) to save morons from themselves.

[rachprice]

I mean those race replica 250 specified in the list in OZ... We are not getting the euro version NSR/RGV here...not like RS250 which has 70hp out of the factory, Jap emission law has limited all the jap 2-stoke to 40/45hp(forgotten 40 or 45) max...just like CBR600RR local jap version has less power than our local one.

I dunno if this is right, we did get some RGVs that are unrestricted, I'm pretty sure mine is the K-model which isn't restricted. I think its around 55hp.

[dummer]

I dunno if this is right, we did get some RGVs that are unrestricted, I'm pretty sure mine is the K-model which isn't restricted. I think its around 55hp.

All Jap domestic second hand import are 40/45hp unless they have derestricted with euro version parts.
Even though identifying a Jap version or a euro version for LTSA can be difficult but saying a big NO to all 2 stroke replica is just a bit too much. If ppl want to trick the system and derestrict it after they registered as a jap version, well I guess we can't do much to save them. Just like those ppl who try to make 50cc moped go faster than 60km/h.

[Badjelly]

All Jap domestic second hand import are 40/45hp unless they have derestricted with euro version parts.
Even though identifying a Jap version or a euro version for LTSA can be difficult but saying a big NO to all 2 stroke replica is just a bit too much. If ppl want to trick the system and derestrict it after they registered as a jap version, well I guess we can't do much to save them. Just like those ppl who try to make 50cc moped go faster than 60km/h.

You must stop beating your head against that brick wall, dummer, it must hurt!

You might want to look at the recent posts on another thread with essentially the same subject, eg:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...5&postcount=63

The message: regulatory authorities are not going to be keen on allowing only the restricted version of a bike on the LAMS list, because they know how easy they are to derestrict. Fair enough in my opinion. (You think they don't know people derestrict mopeds?) But if you think otherwise, you can say so in the public submissions.

[aewilliam]

wouldn't the low-down torque of bigger cc bikes be a bit nuts to handle for learners?
heck...call my bad here if you could, but i feel safer on my RS250 that cant pop wheelies at the lights unless i give it a SH!Tload of throttle (not the case with 500-660grunt?)

wouldn't the weight that comes along with bigger cc bikes be a bit much to handle for learners?

if learners want to do 100kmh, why not drop the max cc limit to 125/150cc?
A my UZ125 scoot does 100kmh.
With this a 125cc 2T, these max out around 150kmh - the same as current 250cc i believe, so wouldnt give a rats sphincter about any kind of 'restricted' list of sub-150cc bikes...

And again, once youre over 100kmh its illegal nonetheless.

Don't see how the proposed law changes regarding the nature of the bike are gonna do ANYTHING for road safety.
The law changes regarding EDUCATION are by far a better idea.

[McDuck]

if learners want to do 100kmh, why not drop the max cc limit to 125/150cc?
A my UZ125 scoot does 100kmh.
With this a 125cc 2T, these max out around 150kmh - the same as current 250cc i believe, so wouldnt give a rats sphincter about any kind of 'restricted' list of sub-150cc bikes...

And again, once youre over 100kmh its illegal nonetheless.

well i want a bike that can do 130 (for passing) without risking internal death.


Oh and i could have handled a 400 (given not a high powered one) pice of piss from the word go. Just becasue you cant handle one dont tarr everybody with the same brush.