Power to weight restriction

[Headbanger]

Interesting turn of events.

At least if I ever decide to get a bike licence I can park up the 1340 and jump on a 600......

[Dodger]

Now if only they would do the same to the Car learners market.
might stop the idiot boy racers with turbo powered cages.

[Ixion]

A very valid point. One concerning point about all this, is that it is an invidious distinction between motorcyclists and cagers. Cagers have NO capacity or weight / power restrictions. Why then should we ? Cagers will not have to wait 12 months on their R if over 25 . Why should we ?

Is it fair that motorcyclists should be singled out for more restrictive conditions than their four wheeled cousins ?

[RantyDave]

At least have the common decency and read what you quote.

I'd call "failure to communicate" on that one, actually. I thought you were referring to getting rid of the learner period entirely as well.

It does make you wonder what, under the new rules, the purpose of the restricted period actually is. Although a little "way point" half way through the learning period is probably still a good idea.

Dave

[RantyDave]

it is extremely unlikely that there will be any exemptions.

Yeah, they'll ditch exemptions entirely, eh? Would be the smart thing to do.

Dave

[RantyDave]

The rego label will show "Learner Approved" or some such words.

I also notice that the Aussie model has restricted versions of larger bikes for learners - a restricted monster 620 for instance, and (conspicuously) a restricted Hyosung 650 (called a GT650L). Presumably we are soon to be awash with newbies asking advice on removing their restrictors.

Oh, this is going to be fun.

Dave

[Mikkel]

I'd call "failure to communicate" on that one, actually. I thought you were referring to getting rid of the learner period entirely as well.

It does make you wonder what, under the new rules, the purpose of the restricted period actually is. Although a little "way point" half way through the learning period is probably still a good idea.

Dave

You're spot on about that - I want the learners period abolished for people already holding a full license.

But, I want the restricted to stay...

I don't see what the "way point" would accomplish. Just make some decent tests instead!

What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach - so we get what we had here last night. Which is the way he wanted it - well, he gets!

[homer]

Government announces new rules for motorcycles

Synopsis

The 250cc limit goes, replaced by the Australiam LAM list. Which is good in that learners will not be restricted to 250cc, bad in that the 250cc two strokes are forbidden. The list does include larger bikes , up to 660cc, but only specified (non sports) models. Based on 150kw / tonne.

25 demerits for not wearing a helemt (huh - when was the last time you ever anyone not wearing one ?)

3 year maximum on learners.

Compulsary headlights at all times

Over 25s now have to spend 12 months not 6 on restricted. But there is a vague mention of "competency based assessments " (The CBTA ?) and discounts for motorcycle specific courses

The 70kph learner limit goes. At last.


Raise in the minimum learner age form 15 to 16 still coming down the pike

not wearing a helmut wed night when i moved the bike about 20 meteres

[Ixion]

not wearing a helmut wed night when i moved the bike about 20 meteres

OH! . So this is all your fault !

[Horse]

Similarly, the weight used will be the manufacturers dry weight claim PLUS 90kg to allow for a nominal rider and fuel etc. And then some simple arithmetic.

That's interesting that they're including weight allowance for a rider. It's a pity then that the CC limit is 660 - the choice for cruiser enthusiasts is looking a bit slim frankly, but if it wasn't for the CC limit the Suzuki C50 Boulevards (805cc) would qualify - a C50T is 153kW/tonne without a rider according to my calculation, so would easily be under the limit with rider included.

[homer]

Yeah but whats ya gonna do .......lol

[Gubb]

That's interesting that they're including weight allowance for a rider. It's a pity then that the CC limit is 660 - the choice for cruiser enthusiasts is looking a bit slim frankly, but if it wasn't for the CC limit the Suzuki C50 Boulevards (805cc) would qualify - a C50T is 153kW/tonne without a rider according to my calculation, so would easily be under the limit with rider included.

There is a hell of a lot more option than the current system though.

One battle at a time.

[Horse]

There is a hell of a lot more option than the current system though.

Yeah, no argument there. It's definitely a positive move.

[RantyDave]

had my vtr since december and am wondering if i'm gonna keep it or not now.

If you're over 25 ... it's a year, yes? I'd keep it. By the time you're done pissing about ... selling one, buying another then your license period will be up and it'll be time to repeat the procedure. I also don't know if a VFR400 will still be inside the rules - they're kinda quick actually.

Other posters have done the math and suspect that a VTR is, at the very least, on the edge of being within the envelope described by the new rules so it seems unlikely that you'd get anything much faster. What you could get is something bigger, however.

Dave

[McJim]

Done a bit of calc on this one and I reckon all but the most aggresive 250s will be fine. If Ixion is correct (and he usually is) I reckon you can get up to 46 hp for a 140kg bike so that should suit ZXR and CBR 250 owners. The RG150 with it's 127kg would have an allowance of 43.5 hp.

RGV250, RS250, NSR250 and TZR250 owners will be proper facked though.