Eddieb's DR build thread.

[Eddieb]

looks to me like you didn't have a sharp enough knob on the front (I have fallen off over 100 times in the mungys so I have expert status)

what tire are you running and what pressure?

D606 that has done less than 1000km. Will have to check pressure but should have been about 25. This was hard packed, no mud.

[marks]

D606 that has done less than 1000km. Will have to check pressure but should have been about 25. This was hard packed, no mud.

well there goes that theory - nothing road legal is better than a sharp 606 off road
I have a 606 on the klr and run it at about 18psi when in the mungys (has a rim lock)

damp smooth clay can be so damn lethal

[buggsubique]

I remember you were talking about the harshness of the ride on the way in - maybe a combination of factors, but possibly some weird dynamic with the intiminators as you hit that water rut? Seems the front end really bounced, like the intiminators locked out, leaving only the tyre to take the hit.

Just seems there was a hell of a lot of energy that was transferred right up through the front end.

[Eddieb]

I think he could have done with these two before he set off on his doomed adv ride

I have both of them

shit mate i feel ya pain and right on summer too.
same ankle as what i did last summer, bloody hard starting the XR with a moon boot but i soon got the hang of it.
never mind mate shit happens its just your turn, no doubt the bike will get a bit of bling while ya of it, oh and your welcome to store it here away from temtation.
didnt Bruce do his ankle in not long ago too.
Heal fast mate, if theres anything i can do from this end just holla

Yeah Dad did the other ankle about 8 months ago and is still on crutches. Lost his job as he couldn't go back to work. I have already done the other side, I have a plate holding my left heel together.

Hang tough Eddie.
You'll be riding again soon enough

Cheers

Bummer, How long are you laid up for ?

And the bike was sounding so good !!

Dunno, Christmas at least in the cast I think, possibly longer though before I can ride.

Hey that cameras good . crystal clear ...

Hope leg gets better

btw , what happened , you were pottering a long nice an gentle ..and pow .....

Stephen

Camera is a GoPro HD. Dunno really. There is a step up I went up that isn't obvious on the camera, I think you can see it as a smooth looking patch just before I go up it. Something went wrong as I went up it.

Thanks for everyone's well wishes. It's going to be boring riding season for me this year.

[Eddieb]

I remember you were talking about the harshness of the ride on the way in - maybe a combination of factors, but possibly some weird dynamic with the intiminators as you hit that water rut? Seems the front end really bounced, like the intiminators locked out, leaving only the tyre to take the hit.

Just seems there was a hell of a lot of energy that was transferred right up through the front end.

I actually suspect the back end was too soft and got way out of shape, I had been having issues on the flat run in getting pretty loose coming out of the water ruts.

[ADVGD]

D606 that has done less than 1000km. Will have to check pressure but should have been about 25. This was hard packed, no mud.

Tyre pressures are pretty personal and debatable, far be it from me to say what is right or wrong, my personal preference however for rocky/greasy terrain like that (and most off road riding) is 16 front 18 rear. 25 for me is far too firm, I find the further you climb from 20 the tyre rattles and skids off rocks rather than geling and molding to them

possibly some weird dynamic with the intiminators as you hit that water rut? Seems the front end really bounced, like the intiminators locked out, leaving only the tyre to take the hit.

Just seems there was a hell of a lot of energy that was transferred right up through the front end.

I think you're onto something there mate, I watched the spill over and over quite baffled as to the cause, the terrain just doesn't seem to match the violent action of the frontend, a fork lockout (or internal failure of some description) could be a feasible/possible explanation??

What did the front “feel” like leading up to the spill and immediately before Eddie?

[buggsubique]

Tyre pressures are pretty personal and debatable, far be it from me to say what is right or wrong, my personal preference however for rocky/greasy terrain like that (and most off road riding) is 16 front 18 rear. 25 for me is far too firm, I find the further you climb from 20 the tyre rattles and skids off rocks rather than geling and molding to them




I think you're onto something there mate, I watched the spill over and over quite baffled as to the cause, the terrain just doesn't seem to match the violent action of the frontend, a fork lockout (or internal failure of some description) could be a feasible/possible explanation??

What did the front “feel” like leading up to the spill and immediately before Eddie?

But then for intiminators to be the case I just don't see how they could lock out. The bike's weight may have closed them, but then the energy coming up from the wheel should have re-opened them. Shame we can't see what the front wheel did in the video - ie how the forks worked.

[Benjah]

Dang Eddie!

Sorry to hear/see the news about your ankle. I've been down for a summer more than once so I know exactly what it's like. Watching DVD's through the fog of codeine .

The bike just seemed to shoot out from under you. It was so out of the blue.

I'm definitely wearing motorcross boots for any slippery track riding from now on.

Heal up quick.

[5150]

First of all. BUGGER!!!! dude.

But on the bright side.... At least you've got your moneys worth of ACC levies from your bike rego


Get well soon, and if you need anything just yell out. Could make a weekend trip down to Welly to cheer you up a bit if you like

[Monstaman]

Damn Eddie that is less than ideal mate.

Best for getting better, I have 450 DVDs on a hard drive which you are welcome to if you want, can copy them into something and send em up.

[NordieBoy]

But then for intiminators to be the case I just don't see how they could lock out. The bike's weight may have closed them, but then the energy coming up from the wheel should have re-opened them. Shame we can't see what the front wheel did in the video - ie how the forks worked.

The brake line'll tell you what the forks are doing.
The front is responding to the rocks nicely and then as it hits the face of the rut on the angle, blows through most of its travel, gets airborne off the top of it and that looks to be about when the rear would be at the bottom of the rut. The turning of the bars is speeding the transition of the bike over to the right (fmx whip style) and the front wheel looks to hit at full right lock. You can see the line move again as it hits.

Splat! Ouch!

[bart]

Yeah, bad luck Eddie. crap time of year to be out of action.

I was thinking 'highside'. Pretty rare offroad (but plausable in there where there are seams of papa clay running down the track). Back end slips then grips, compresses suspension, pogos back, throws you off the seat. Often ends up sending you over the bars. I struggle to see how else your foot got stuck there.

My 2c

edit: just had another look, and I don't think it's that complex. Crossed up in a rut at speed and lost it.

[sudman]

I have little time for intiminators had them in my race bikes and found they would lock given the right set of circumstances most of the time under hard cornering, found a guy that used to do suspension work back in late 70's, change main hole sizes to smaller ones and add four 2mm holes up the tube, added 20 weight oil and the forks are the best they have ever been.
I spent the best part of year playing with the intiminators (YSS brand) changing oils and settings, I will be changing the damper rods in my DR as per my race bikes spec's.

[gav24]

Damn that Mungy Papa clay, as anyone who has ever ridden in there will know it is bloody lethal - and so unpredictable!
I had a bad break on the same side 6 months after a clean break about 2 cms below it, and now have 6screws, a metal plate and a detailed knowledge of Palmerston North hospital over christmas week! Anyway one of those 2 breaks was caused by the bike, only a little husky wr125, which had an extended subframe under the rear fender to support the lights, landing on my leg - was a pretty big crash as well. This always makes me nervous when I crash or nearly crash the DR off road with those bloody solid rear handles sticking out like they do. Just waiting to grab, twist, smash etc an unwary flailing limb! Seems that its not an unreasonable fear after all...
Hey you should be right in no time if you avoided surgery, and hopefully any tendon/ligament damage. I was riding 5 weeks after the first break, the doc agreed to cut the cast off after 4 and a 1/2 weeks so I wouldnt miss the 1st round of the british enduro series. Was a bit sore though for another 2 weeks after that. New years looks good for the next ride then... Mungies, Pram track?

Get well soon eddie!

PS. I found that I could ride my mountainbike pretty well once I was in a short cast like yours, just a bit of folded up cardboard duct taped to the bottom to grip the pedals and not munch up the cast, and a velcro strap to attach the crutches to the top tube! Also dont ever, ever, ever get the cast wet with sea water. It stinks like you would not believe in less than a day! ha ha

[NordieBoy]

I have little time for intiminators had them in my race bikes and found they would lock given the right set of circumstances most of the time under hard cornering, found a guy that used to do suspension work back in late 70's, change main hole sizes to smaller ones and add four 2mm holes up the tube, added 20 weight oil and the forks are the best they have ever been.
I spent the best part of year playing with the intiminators (YSS brand) changing oils and settings, I will be changing the damper rods in my DR as per my race bikes spec's.

The YSS PD Valves are copies of the RaceTech Gold Valve Emulators.
Ricor Intiminators are a completely different beast other than the fact they all sit on top of the damper rod.

I had YSS ones in my '79 XR250. What a difference