Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[Smifffy]

He is off taking advice

No, got that wrong. He is off advising the communication committee that they need to formulate a response. No doubt we should get one next week. Afterall, the question has been asked tonight and they have to "consider" their response via their communications approved channel. Oh wait, it may take 2 weeks :waiting

Was here earlier, wouldn't be surprised if he's back on his high horse and will patronise us no longer.

Shame to see the good work StoneY was doing get undermined by his 'colleagues'.

It doesn't matter much anyway because they will be successful, whatever they do. Much was made of the 2009 MC road toll, but I reckon that what statisticians call a blip, and it will drop again soon enough, but in the meantime we will have had a number of 'initiatives' rolled out.

The success of these initiatives will then be touted from the rooftops, and the initiatives will then become policy, since they were so successful.

Eventually Labour will get back in govt and decide that more of us need saving from ourselves and will double the levy and increase the budget by 50%.


Don't ask me where the remaining 50% would go - probably on trackdays for 1%ers in prison.

[riffer]

Eventually Labour will get back in govt and decide that more of us need saving from ourselves and will double the levy and increase the budget by 50%.

That's interesting. I take it you weren't at Parliament (like I was) when Phil Goff stated to all gathered that Labour would drop the levy back to where it was pre National Government.

And the ACC Spokesperson for Labour, Chris Hipkins, has made no effort to hide that his (and therefore Labour's) preference is for an additional levy on petrol, and NO ACC levy at all on relicensing.

Labour are proposing a $50 per annum relicensing fee.

But don't believe me. Ask Chris yourself. His facebook page is easy enough to find. And here's the official page you can contact him on:

[Smifffy]

That's interesting. I take it you weren't at Parliament (like I was) when Phil Goff stated to all gathered that Labour would drop the levy back to where it was pre National Government.

And the ACC Spokesperson for Labour, Chris Hipkins, has made no effort to hide that his (and therefore Labour's) preference is for an additional levy on petrol, and NO ACC levy at all on relicensing.

Labour are proposing a $50 per annum relicensing fee.

But don't believe me. Ask Chris yourself. His facebook page is easy enough to find. And here's the official page you can contact him on:

Believe what and whom you like.

My prediction has a modicum of tongue in cheek, however I haven't seen too many levies, taxes, charges reduced upon changes of govt, unless used as a vote bribe, and sometimes not even then.

[riffer]

Believe what and whom you like.

My prediction has a modicum of tongue in cheek, however I haven't seen too many levies, taxes, charges reduced upon changes of govt, unless used as a vote bribe, and sometimes not even then.

So contact him. Get the information in writing. Make it an election issue if you like. The only time we have ANY power is at election time.

[Mom]

Believe what and whom you like.

My prediction has a modicum of tongue in cheek, however I haven't seen too many levies, taxes, charges reduced upon changes of govt, unless used as a vote bribe, and sometimes not even then.

Phil Goff is on record saying he would reverse any decision that National makes re ACC levies on registration fees. He has probably forgotten about that though. Should I make contact and remind him? Rhetorical question really.

[Smifffy]

Phil Goff is on record saying he would reverse any decision that National makes re ACC levies on registration fees. He has probably forgotten about that though. Should I make contact and remind him? Rhetorical question really.

Despite being told repeatedly that i don't listen, I have listened, and have written to Hipkins.

I wonder if he will be able to find anything out, or whether it will result in even more of an information blackout than currently exists.

[Smifffy]

Phil Goff is on record saying he would reverse any decision that National makes re ACC levies on registration fees. He has probably forgotten about that though. Should I make contact and remind him? Rhetorical question really.

Given some of the things he has come out with lately (mondayising public hols, no GST on fruit & veg) I don't think Phill even remembers his 9 years in government, let alone anything else he may have said.

[blackdog]

Nick Smith must be laughing his arse off at the moment watching all this constant bickering.

A conspiracy theorist might almost imagine he'd planned it that way.

meh. it is what it is.

Why is everyone getting so anguished?


As I said before, all they're there for is to oversee the spending of a bit of money - nothing more, nothing less. I'm sure they'll handle the job fine.

If they were there to advise TPTB on how the future of motorcycling in New Zealand should be governed then there might be reason for us to be more interested in their credentials.

we like our bikes, and go off like firecrackers if we get an inkling we might be threatened with losing them

At the moment, I wont be surprised to see it morph into policy advice, if they have the "right" sort of ideas.

we live in hope. put your ideas on paper.

signage and general road user education

I don't have a gun big enough to enlarge the hole already created by that initiative.

Good that your listening.
Can you give me a straight answer?
Are you Representing the AA on the former Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group, now known as MSAC, in an official capacity?
And as you are listening, and please don't take this personally.
Fck the levy hikes.
Fck the MSL
Fck the MSAC
Oh, and Fck the AA for being a part of the original and ongoing problem of discrimination, lies and theft that has lead to many having to give up motorcycling because it is no longer affordable.
Hope you take that back to the Welly Exec and Smith and Judge, because that's how a lot of us feel.

you should have mentioned hitler

meh

Pity bikers can't just separate our 1%ers into a group like cagers do with boy-racers and dodge any collective blame that way. Or should I say, pity all the dumb fucks that judge us collectively can't see we are as diverse a group as any other road users.

That is why I haven't gotten behind any of the motorcycling organisations to any great degree.

I believe they are all still barking up the wrong tree and refusing to acknowledge the base problem that has brought us to the brink we currently face.

All we're hearing is "it's not fair" and "you're picking on us".

I'm not hearing any motorcycling organisation saying "Oi, you lot, pull your fucking heads in and stop having accidents (and riding in the manner of an accident waiting to happen)".

I'm hearing it from individuals (even Ixion would say it often enough - but never with his BRONZ hat on) but it's not until we start hearing it from organisations that TPTB might start to take seriously the fact that some of us are trying to bring about a change.

yup

my dad still says "for things to change, first we must change"

take that any way ya like.

It's easy to be unhappy with a lot of things...

not your best work dude

Fuck me reading through this I thought I was on PommyBiker.

i didn't have bling left but this gets an honourable mention

Given some of the things he has come out with lately (mondayising public hols, no GST on fruit & veg) I don't think Phill even remembers his 9 years in government, let alone anything else he may have said.

i forgot what this thread was about. anyone seen the OP recently?

[NONONO]

Here you go....First post.

I would like to ask the members of the newly named Motorcycle Safety Advisory Group (the old MSL establishment group) on what mandate have they, as individuals, been appointed to this council?
Now that you will be paid a wage, or stipend, who do you represent?
If you have all been appointed (as is the case with Gareth Morgan supposedly) as individual citizens with expert knowledge of the issue, then I suppose you can, in good conscience, take the money as payment for services rendered to the government.
If, however, you have been appointed on the basis that you "Represent" certain motorcycle organizations (BRONZ, Ulysses, MNZ etc), then I would suggest that you have little right to your wages, which should belong to your respective, not for profit, organizations.
Do you intend to publish the amount you are being paid?
Do you intend to inform the public, how many votes (members) you represent individually?

And after, oh, bout 12 pages, this is what I know for sure.
......................!
These are my assumptions;
Some ARE official organisation representatives.
Some are individual appointees, who represent no one but themselves.
Some seem a mite unsure who they represent
Some have bikers best interests at heart, some are less than trustworthy.

From here;
I will write to each organisation asking if they have an official rep on this committee.

I will also ask (pending the answer to the above), if it is lawful under the organisations constitution, for representatives of their orgs to receive payments, as individuals, for services rendered to the government.

I'll write to Smith and ask if it is legal and/or constitutional for ACC to pay individual representatives of Not For Profit organisations, I will also take this up with The Charities Commission.

Will keep you posted.

[yungatart]

That's interesting. I take it you weren't at Parliament (like I was) when Phil Goff stated to all gathered that Labour would drop the levy back to where it was pre National Government.

He reiterated that at a lunch I attended as an invited guest along with a few other local riders.
He then came out some months later saying that should Labour get back in power they would NOT be changing motorcycle levies back to pre National days.

I was absolutely disgusted. It is one thing to lie to voters in parliament or on the campaign trail but he lied to my face! I can't abide dishonesty in any form.

How can you tell a politician is lying?...their lips move.

[phill-k]

Here you go....First post.

I would like to ask the members of the newly named Motorcycle Safety Advisory Group (the old MSL establishment group) on what mandate have they, as individuals, been appointed to this council?
Now that you will be paid a wage, or stipend, who do you represent?
If you have all been appointed (as is the case with Gareth Morgan supposedly) as individual citizens with expert knowledge of the issue, then I suppose you can, in good conscience, take the money as payment for services rendered to the government.
If, however, you have been appointed on the basis that you "Represent" certain motorcycle organizations (BRONZ, Ulysses, MNZ etc), then I would suggest that you have little right to your wages, which should belong to your respective, not for profit, organizations.
Do you intend to publish the amount you are being paid?
Do you intend to inform the public, how many votes (members) you represent individually?

And after, oh, bout 12 pages, this is what I know for sure.
......................!
These are my assumptions;
Some ARE official organisation representatives.
Some are individual appointees, who represent no one but themselves.
Some seem a mite unsure who they represent
Some have bikers best interests at heart, some are less than trustworthy.

From here;
I will write to each organisation asking if they have an official rep on this committee.

I will also ask (pending the answer to the above), if it is lawful under the organisations constitution, for representatives of their orgs to receive payments, as individuals, for services rendered to the government.

I'll write to Smith and ask if it is legal and/or constitutional for ACC to pay individual representatives of Not For Profit organisations, I will also take this up with The Charities Commission.

Will keep you posted.

Not sure why you are so focused on what remuneration these people are paid? , surely their mandate and outcomes are far more important. Along with communication to the masses.
Having someone come on here - Mr Kiwi - make some comments and then when comments & questioning shows others are intently interested buggers off should be of much greater concern.

[Fatt Max]

How can you tell a politician is lying?...their lips move.

I thought it was the mere fact they were breathing....

Yes, I was there when PG stated that ACC levies would be cut back etc etc etc. I also heard that he had subsequently stated that Labour wouldnt.

Fuck me, cant trust National, cant trust Labour...

Try these guys I reckon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_MBwQhGgA

[MSTRS:Me]

It's easy to be unhappy with a lot of things...

That little comment just about killed any support and rapport you were starting to build with us. This post takes on a whole new meaning.
Remember this line?

However - don't be surprised if a fair number here don't believe you are genuine. See, we've had 'your sort' here before...

No wonder we are unhappy.
Set up with dodgy stats by ACC.
Shafted by Nick the Prick.
Shat on by Mike Noon.
Lied to by Phil Goff.
Treated with disdain by all but one of those who purport to represent us.

No wonder we are unhappy.
No fucking wonder.

[Eyegasm]

Fuck me reading through this I thought I was on PommyBiker.

+1, but it is good for a laugh first thing in the morning.

Still with us MrKiwi?

Posted 21:19

MrKiwi?
Erm.....Hello?......MrKiwi?

Then 21:52

He is off taking advice

No, got that wrong. He is off advising the communication committee that they need to formulate a response. No doubt we should get one next week. Afterall, the question has been asked tonight and they have to "consider" their response via their communications approved channel. Oh wait, it may take 2 weeks :waiting:

:waiting: seems to be MIA So I will settle for

Hahahahahaaaaa....

Do you two expect that everyone will be on kiwibiker 24/7??

Honestly? 9pm at night? checking to see what someone is having a bitch about?
This is pure gold.

I'll come back tomorrow morning to see your responses as some of us have lives that exist outside of this website.

[riffer]

He then came out some months later saying that should Labour get back in power they would NOT be changing motorcycle levies back to pre National days.

As much as I distrust politicians I'm surprised to hear this because as recently as two weeks ago I've heard different.

There's definitely nothing regarding a turnaround of policy on this on the Labour website.

Give me a few days - I'll work to get some information from the ACC spokesperson regarding clarification on this issue.