2 speeding tickets in 2 minutes

**MikeL** · 23rd June 2005, 16:50

Originally Posted by Ixion

I was always under the impression that the two times/places had to be non-contiguous.eg this road in the morning, again in the afternoon. Or this road at 11am and a different one ,not just a progression. (obviously,at another time unless you can be in two places at the same time. ). That is, they have to be two separate incidents.

But I could be completely wrong.

Just seems to stupid otherwise for even Parliament to have meant it thus.

So can someone in the know tell us what exactly the legal definition of separate offences is? Where in the road code is it specified?
If it is up to the discretion of the officer, does this mean that technically an officer could follow someone over a period of time on the same road, noting down each time the limit was exceeded, and subsequently issue several separate tickets?
Or alternatively, follow someone exceeding the speed limit consistently and each time he turns into a new road note down the offence and issue multiple tickets?
Sure could have some fun with that...

**GSVR** · 23rd June 2005, 16:51

Originally Posted by mattd

ok i was just wondering about a couple of speeding tickets i got this morn. apperently the cop was following me down 1 road onto another with his lights on, i couldnt really see him in my mirrors, then he put his siren on just as i was turning into another street (stupid time for him to distract me with that mid-corner). he then proceeded to issue 2 tickets becuase it was 2 different roads. whats with that? i would think it would be the same offence = 1 ticket? does this sound right to u guys?

I wouldn't take it to personal he was probably behind on his quota and had to get a couple of tickets quickly or risk being demoted to footsoldier or something. Traffic officers are just doing their job. You should of thanked him for using the siren as if he hadn't you might have ended up with half a dozen tickets or so by the time you noticed the flashing lights.

On a brighter note I see in the newpaper tonight they are testing two motorbikes down in Canterbury. Bike cops might be on the way back. Isn't this exciting news.

**Indoo** · 23rd June 2005, 17:01

Originally Posted by mattd

yeah im sweet with paying the speeding ticket, just not 2. he got me at 68 on the second rd but did not get a speed on the first, so i got to go to court for that one now. got an appointment with a lawyer next wensday. so we'll see what he says about the situation.

The first was an offence notice then, not a speeding ticket. I'd imagine it is for dangerous driving or dangerous speed?

Ive never heard of it being done before, it would be seen as double dipping or something along those lines.

And Lou please don't try to make your crusade against the Police out to be 'normal', its a little sad and pathetic but thats about it.

**chickenfunkstar** · 23rd June 2005, 17:07

Originally Posted by mattd

my threads getting hijacked!
your right chickenfuckstar, had a little talk with the people at the citizens advice bureau and they have a free lawyer service there so so far im only $150 out of pocket (for the 68 in a 50 ticket)
thanks for all the help guys, especially spudchucka, its good to have someone one the other "side" that will take the time to share their knowledge on the issues. thanks

Chickenfuckstar....?

**Lou Girardin** · 23rd June 2005, 17:25

Oh thanks indoo, you're quite right. Hey chickenf, pay both fines like a good citizen.
Don't question, don't complain.

**spudchucka** · 23rd June 2005, 17:36

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

don't complain.

You do enough for everybody.

**Big Dave** · 23rd June 2005, 17:38

Originally Posted by Indoo

its a little sad and pathetic but thats about it.

There has to be a 'devils advocate' to stimulate debate. Yin and yang.
I enjoy their thrust and parry - until the 'p' word came out.
Upper cuts all round.

**spudchucka** · 23rd June 2005, 17:48

Originally Posted by MikeL

So can someone in the know tell us what exactly the legal definition of separate offences is? Where in the road code is it specified?
If it is up to the discretion of the officer, does this mean that technically an officer could follow someone over a period of time on the same road, noting down each time the limit was exceeded, and subsequently issue several separate tickets?
Or alternatively, follow someone exceeding the speed limit consistently and each time he turns into a new road note down the offence and issue multiple tickets?
Sure could have some fun with that...

Like I said earlier, it stinks a bit of unfairness and to me is actually quite unreasonable. But if you think about it like this..... A driver is travelling on a road at 7:35 AM and is exceeding the speed limit by 21kph. He slows down below the posted speed limit to negotiate a turn into another road. He then proceeds along this road at the speed limit but then accelerates to a speed now exceeding the posted limit by 25kph, the time is now 7:38 AM.

Has he committed one offence or two?

If the answer is one then consider this...... A man goes into the two dollar shop at 9:35 AM and steals a childs toy, valued at $2.00. He leaves that shop and then enters the shop next door, an antique shop, it is now 9:38 AM. He steals an antique childs toy valued at $300.00.

Is he liable for one charge of theft to the value of $302.00 or is he liable for two charges of theft, one to the value of $2.00 and the other to the value of $300.00?

**DingDong** · 23rd June 2005, 17:49

it bullshit, see a lawer

**Ixion** · 23rd June 2005, 17:52

Originally Posted by spudchucka

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If the answer is one then consider this...... A man goes into the two dollar shop at 9:35 AM and steals a childs toy, valued at $2.00. He leaves that shop and then enters the shop next door, an antique shop, it is now 9:38 AM. He steals an antique childs toy valued at $300.00.

Is he liable for one charge of theft to the value of $302.00 or is he liable for two charges of theft, one to the value of $2.00 and the other to the value of $300.00?

Or,he goes into the supermarket and steals a tin of baked beans value $1.00. Then he walks around to the next aisle and steals 2 tins of soup value $2.00 each.

One theft charge, two charges, or three ?

**Coldkiwi** · 23rd June 2005, 18:15

Originally Posted by Indoo

And Lou please don't try to make your crusade against the Police out to be 'normal', its a little sad and pathetic but thats about it.

ok, so lou might get a little excited before most people on this site when the subject of rubbish traffic policing comes up, but there are a LOT of people (just count the number of posters who have said 'this is bollocks' already) here and elsewhere that have had a gutsful of this quota/money focussed traffic policing. Have a look for the Herald Digipoll's done on how many people have confidence in the police these days and see where its plumetted from in the past.... its sure as heck not all roses and I don't hear any where near as many complaints about people related to general duties cops behaviour.

**Ixion** · 23rd June 2005, 18:27

Originally Posted by Coldkiwi

ok, so lou might get a little excited before most people on this site when the subject of rubbish traffic policing comes up, but there are a LOT of people (just count the number of posters who have said 'this is bollocks' already) here and elsewhere that have had a gutsful of this quota/money focussed traffic policing. Have a look for the Herald Digipoll's done on how many people have confidence in the police these days and see where its plumetted from in the past.... its sure as heck not all roses and I don't hear any where near as many complaints about people related to general duties cops behaviour.

In fairness, Mr Spudchucka was of the number expressing reservations.

**jaybee180** · 23rd June 2005, 21:16

Originally Posted by Coldkiwi

ok, so lou might get a little excited before most people on this site when the subject of rubbish traffic policing comes up, but there are a LOT of people (just count the number of posters who have said 'this is bollocks' already) here and elsewhere that have had a gutsful of this quota/money focussed traffic policing. Have a look for the Herald Digipoll's done on how many people have confidence in the police these days and see where its plumetted from in the past.... its sure as heck not all roses and I don't hear any where near as many complaints about people related to general duties cops behaviour.

Cops have a job to do just like everyone else - and just like every other job there are some people who don't do the rest of us any favours. But I'm sure no one here goes to work and tells the boss what they will or won't do! Some things (like writing tickets) just have to be done! Stop whinging at the cops Lou and get on to your parlimentarians! Go to the source man!

Spuds given good advice. Question it as long as you can. You are entitled to do this. Make sure everything is in writing and you keep a copy. Do NOT send the originals tickets away - make sure they are photocopies.

And good luck.

**scumdog** · 23rd June 2005, 21:30

Not the sort of ticketing that I'd normally do - but then I ain't normal.

Technically yes, it is possible that it was two offences but it's splitting hairs and sucks.