2 speeding tickets in 2 minutes

[Indoo]

ok, so lou might get a little excited before most people on this site when the subject of rubbish traffic policing comes up...

Lou just slags off Police in general, he doesn't make any distinction between 'traffic' cops and the gdb. Read his posts, you might want to take a prozac or two first, pity is a depressing emotion.

[Ixion]

Lou just slags off Police in general, he doesn't make any distinction between 'traffic' cops and the gdb. Read his posts, you might want to take a prozac or two first, pity is a depressing emotion.

I thought that general duties did traffic too? (I presume that gdb is General Duties Branch ?)

[Zed]

ok i was just wondering about a couple of speeding tickets i got this morn. apperently the cop was following me down 1 road onto another with his lights on, i couldnt really see him in my mirrors, then he put his siren on just as i was turning into another street (stupid time for him to distract me with that mid-corner). he then proceeded to issue 2 tickets becuase it was 2 different roads. whats with that? i would think it would be the same offence = 1 ticket? does this sound right to u guys?

Bummer dude! Why is it that you couldn't "really" see him in your mirrors?

[Pixie]

Wow! Clark will give that man a promotion when Robinson tells her he discovered a way to double the revenue from one "contact".

[Lou Girardin]

Lou just slags off Police in general, he doesn't make any distinction between 'traffic' cops and the gdb. Read his posts, you might want to take a prozac or two first, pity is a depressing emotion.

They are all Police. The GD issue more tickets than HP because there are more of them.
And don't waste your pity on me, there are far more deserving recipients.

PS I know that the failing of cherished institutions is terrifying for some.
But it will be alright in the end, have faith, try Arapax.

[vifferman]

But it will be alright in the end, have faith, try Arapax.

Aropax, actually. Don't try it.

[Fart]

ok i was just wondering about a couple of speeding tickets i got this morn. apperently the cop was following me down 1 road onto another with his lights on, i couldnt really see him in my mirrors, then he put his siren on just as i was turning into another street (stupid time for him to distract me with that mid-corner). he then proceeded to issue 2 tickets becuase it was 2 different roads. whats with that? i would think it would be the same offence = 1 ticket? does this sound right to u guys?

Use the media to your advantage. When you write a letter, CC: it to TV1, TV2 and TV3. I am sure the media would love to do a story on this one. Good luck.

[GSVR]

I'm so paranoid about being picked up for some minor infringement I'm constantly looking in my rear view mirrors to see whos following me.

Biggest concern is while I'm distracted by looking backwards I may miss something infront and have a serious accident.

Why didn't you see the police cars flashing lights? I was devoting 100% concentration to where I was going.

If I travel at the exact speed limit I always seem to get some really pissed of guy sitting way too close behind me and I'm convinced that if I had to stop in a hurry I would end up embedded in their grill.

Travelling at just below 60kph in a 50kph zone the problem goes away and the speeding ticket is unlikely but if I just go slightly over this I'm into the getting a ticket zone. So when I'm not constantly looking in my rear vision mirrors I'm constantly looking at my speedo to confirm my speed hasn't creeped up by a couple of k's.

Maybe I need a scooter and ride at 50kph as close to the footpath as possible. Na that is dangerous.

[mattd]

Chickenfuckstar....?

damn i didnt even notice, it was probably my subconscious pissed of self saying that.
sorry

[spudchucka]

Or,he goes into the supermarket and steals a tin of baked beans value $1.00. Then he walks around to the next aisle and steals 2 tins of soup value $2.00 each.

One theft charge, two charges, or three ?

Same time and place, therefore one charge, theft to the value of $5.00.

[Lou Girardin]

Same time and place, therefore one charge, theft to the value of $5.00.

Unless they introduce a quota for theft.

[Ixion]

Same time and place, therefore one charge, theft to the value of $5.00.

But, the distance to walk to another aisle in a supermarket could be greater than walking into the next shop from a small store. And take longer. So the supermarket thief might be further in both place and time from his first heist than the convenience small thief

I think you are right about one being two charges and the other one. But Mr mattd's case is surely closer to the supermarket. There was only a few minutes between the two points and they were on a direct route.

Had he stoped (for gas for instance) then resumed I would say two.

Perhaps it is easier to think of it as a matter of intent.

The difference is between saying "I am going to speed here" and knocking off a kilometre at illegal speed (regardless of how many corners you turn). One "making up of mind", one intent, one charge ; and saying " I am going to speed here" doing half a kilometre at illegal speed, then slowing down to legal, and saying a second time "I am going to speed AGAIN". Two "makings up of mind", two intents, two charges. (Though I think speeding is an absolute offence where it doesn't matter if you intended to or not ? )

Bit academic anyway cos (a) pretty much everybody reckons it's a bit off, even you and Mr Scumdog; and (b) the copper done it anyway, right or wrong, so it's up to whoever decides what charges to lay, or the judge, to say if it's on or not.

[spudchucka]

Your supermarket scenario is basically multiple acts of theft within the one place, despite the offender obviously moving from aisle to aisle.

The way I looked at mattd's scenario was that he was speeding on one road, (first ticket), he has then slowed to a speed within the posted limit and turned onto a second road, he has then accelerated to a speed in excess of the posted speed limit, (second ticket).

I don't agree with it as a practice, there may be times when it is appropriate but going on his account I have to say that I don't believe it is, (appropriate) in this case.

I like your thoughts on the intent involved, (mens rea). Speeding is pretty much either done intentionally, (deliberately exceeding the speed limit, knowing that doing so is an offence) or carelessly, (not paying attention to your speed).

If it was me I'd be taking it to court because I believe it is unreasonable. I'd happily pay the first offence if they agreed to drop the second.

[Ixion]

Your supermarket scenario is basically multiple acts of theft within the one place, despite the offender obviously moving from aisle to aisle.

The way I looked at mattd's scenario was that he was speeding on one road, (first ticket), he has then slowed to a speed within the posted limit and turned onto a second road, he has then accelerated to a speed in excess of the posted speed limit, (second ticket).

I don't agree with it as a practice, there may be times when it is appropriate but going on his account I have to say that I don't believe it is, (appropriate) in this case.

I like your thoughts on the intent involved, (mens rea). Speeding is pretty much either done intentionally, (deliberately exceeding the speed limit, knowing that doing so is an offence) or carelessly, (not paying attention to your speed).

If it was me I'd be taking it to court because I believe it is unreasonable. I'd happily pay the first offence if they agreed to drop the second.

Not sure if Mr Mattd said he slowed down between them , or not. Though I guess he might have had to to get round the corner.

I could see a cop dishing out two tickets if there was a reasonable distance of "legal" between two "illegals". That's sort of "You did it, and then you did it again". You'd have to make a second decsion to speed for the second time. Dunno about just slowing for a corner though.

All in all I guess the cop was a bit cross (probably cos Mr Mattd didn't stop for his lights), and decided to "throw the book at him". Surprised he didn't book him for failing to use mirrors actually.

[eliot-ness]

Whatever happened to the good old days when the cops, usually in a car that wouldn't top 80mph, had to follow you one third of a mile, with another cop in the car as a witness, at a speed constantly above the speed limit. All we had to do in those days was open the throttle if a cop was behind. Never did get a ticket. OR we could go back further to when the cops hid behind trees and measured with a stop watch the time it took to travel between two telegraph poles. Not much revenue collected then.
Fings ain't wot they used to be.

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