2 speeding tickets in 2 minutes

**GSVR** · 24th June 2005, 16:16

Mr Mattd obviously didn't slow down after he heard the cops siren otherwise he would never have got the second ticket for doing 68kph.

You screwd up Matt bite the bullet pay the fines and learn not to mess with the law.

**Beemer** · 24th June 2005, 17:01

Originally Posted by mattd

He did not have a radar and didn't catch up to me till i was turning onto the second road, so he just said u were doing over 50kmh, then on the second road he got me at 68kmh. he turned his siren on after this as i was turning into a 3rd street just to get rid of any confusion in my first post about that.

Just a question - if he didn't have a radar and didn't know your exact speed in the first road, how did he know you were doing 68kph when he pulled you up? Was that just going by his speedo? If so, then is this legal, and if not, then why couldn't he say what speed you were originally doing?

Sounds totally dodgy to me, I can understand being given a ticket say for speeding AND having an expired rego or something, but not for two instances of speeding in a couple of minutes! When I saw the title I thought it was what happened to a friend of ours - got a speed camera ticket going into Shannon (didn't see the van so didn't know he'd got a ticket until later!) and was pulled up by a cop for speeding as he headed out of town - only a distance of about a kilometre in total!

**Da Bird** · 24th June 2005, 18:54

Have to agree with it being unfair... cop was obviously not a happy chappy.

A couple of points: To get a speed check by using a speedo, you have to travel at that constant speed for 400 metres, so it might pay to check your distances that you travelled before entering the second street - at the least question where he started following you.

Check the times on your tickets... are they the same, or a minute or two apart... if they are the same time you may have grounds for disputing you were on two different roads at the same time (at least some reasonable doubt there).

I actually found your story quite bizarre to be honest... if you had stopped, been given a ticket, then took off at a high speed and got stopped again, then I would have no problem with you getting a second ticket, as it would be obvious you didn't learn from the first one but I've never heard of someone in your situation.

BC.

**Skyryder** · 24th June 2005, 19:48

Originally Posted by Biff

Sounds like this ahole hasn't had his leg over recently.

Probably in such a hurry his second leg followed and he fell off.

Skyryder

**Skyryder** · 24th June 2005, 20:06

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Like I said earlier, it stinks a bit of unfairness and to me is actually quite unreasonable. But if you think about it like this..... A driver is travelling on a road at 7:35 AM and is exceeding the speed limit by 21kph. He slows down below the posted speed limit to negotiate a turn into another road. He then proceeds along this road at the speed limit but then accelerates to a speed now exceeding the posted limit by 25kph, the time is now 7:38 AM.

Has he committed one offence or two?

If the answer is one then consider this...... A man goes into the two dollar shop at 9:35 AM and steals a childs toy, valued at $2.00. He leaves that shop and then enters the shop next door, an antique shop, it is now 9:38 AM. He steals an antique childs toy valued at $300.00.

Is he liable for one charge of theft to the value of $302.00 or is he liable for two charges of theft, one to the value of $2.00 and the other to the value of $300.00?

That's an interesting analogy Spud. Lets counter it with another 'criminal' offence. I come home from work fancy a little slap and tickle with the wife but first I light up and smoke a joint. Do the buisness and afterwards have another one. Smoke that is. Tweny years ago it might have been different.

So have I commited two offences or just the one?

Skyryder

**spudchucka** · 24th June 2005, 20:08

Originally Posted by Ixion

All in all I guess the cop was a bit cross (probably cos Mr Mattd didn't stop for his lights), and decided to "throw the book at him". Surprised he didn't book him for failing to use mirrors actually.

I'm not aware of a specific offence for failing to use mirrors, I think proving where somebody was or wasn't looking could be a tad difficult.

I've had hundreds of people technically failing to stop for red & blue lights simply because they are oblivious to their presence, (even with a siren blasting them from behind some drivers remain oblivious). Old folks are the worst, I remember following an old crusty for about 5 kilometres once with lights on and sirens wailing. When she eventually stopped and I spoke to her she just said, "Oh, I'm sorry dear, I didn't think you could possibly be wanting me to stop and I just couldn't understand why you didn't just go past me".

I was stopping her because she had failed to stop at a stop sign but after about a ten minute chat and me listening to half of her life story I sent her on her way with only a reminder of certain road rules.

You can tell when a "failing to stop" is a deliberate act or not. I won't necessarily be any more unforgiving to a person in mattd's position simply because he took a while to realise he was required to stop.

**Ixion** · 24th June 2005, 20:16

Originally Posted by spudchucka

I'm not aware of a specific offence for failing to use mirrors, I think proving where somebody was or wasn't looking could be a tad difficult.

I've had hundreds of people technically failing to stop for red & blue lights simply because they are oblivious to their presence, (even with a siren blasting them from behind some drivers remain oblivious). Old folks are the worst, I remember following an old crusty for about 5 kilometres once with lights on and sirens wailing. When she eventually stopped and I spoke to her she just said, "Oh, I'm sorry dear, I didn't think you could possibly be wanting me to stop and I just couldn't understand why you didn't just go past me".

I was stopping her because she had failed to stop at a stop sign but after about a ten minute chat and me listening to half of her life story I sent her on her way with only a reminder of certain road rules.

You can tell when a "failing to stop" is a deliberate act or not. I won't necessarily be any more unforgiving to a person in mattd's position simply because he took a while to realise he was required to stop.

Clarifying, I wasn't implying that I thought Mr Mattd deliberately didn't stop. Just that the officer was cross that he didn't.

**spudchucka** · 24th June 2005, 20:19

Originally Posted by Skyryder

That's an interesting analogy Spud. Lets counter it with another 'criminal' offence. I come home from work fancy a little slap and tickle with the wife but first I light up and smoke a joint. Do the buisness and afterwards have another one. Smoke that is. Tweny years ago it might have been different.

So have I commited two offences or just the one?

Skyryder

One. Being stupid by night.

Unless of course it was daylight when you had the first smoke and night time when you had the second smoke. Then you would be liable for "stupid by day" and the more serious offence, "stupid by night".

**spudchucka** · 24th June 2005, 20:20

Originally Posted by Ixion

Clarifying, I wasn't implying that I thought Mr Mattd deliberately didn't stop. Just that the officer was cross that he didn't.

Yeah, I understood that.

**Skyryder** · 24th June 2005, 21:13

Originally Posted by spudchucka

One. Being stupid by night.

Unless of course it was daylight when you had the first smoke and night time when you had the second smoke. Then you would be liable for "stupid by day" and the more serious offence, "stupid by night".

Is that the best you can come up with? Surley not. You used a criminal offence, as an analogy, for a non criminal one. I used a criminal anlogy (smoking) for your 'criminal' (theft) anlogy. I suspect from the 'tone' of your reply to me that you have now discovered the absurdity of your post.

you meet the nicest of people down on the floor.

Skyryder

**spudchucka** · 24th June 2005, 21:37

Originally Posted by Skyryder

II suspect from the 'tone' of your reply to me that you have now discovered the absurdity of your post.

Nope, just don't want to get another "smoking dope is naughty" thread going; I really can't be bothered with going too far down this road again.

If it could be proved that you smoked dope on two different occassions, regardless of the place the smoking was done at, then you could be charged with two separate charges of consuming cannabis. I prefer the stupid by night charge though. However in reality there would have to be a witness to the smoking otherwise the worst that could happen is you get done for possession but that won't happen because you already smoked all the weed man.

**Big Dave** · 24th June 2005, 21:53

Originally Posted by spudchucka

because you already smoked all the weed man.

Did you say that like 'Neil' from the Young Ones when he joined the 'piiigs'?
I hope you did.

**spudchucka** · 24th June 2005, 21:56

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Did you say that like 'Neil' from the Young Ones when he joined the 'piiigs'?
I hope you did.

Yeah, Right On!

**myvice** · 24th June 2005, 22:33

Wow, 2 tickets for speeding at once, bugger. Er, if he has no radar in his car and had to catch up to you on road No1, how fast was he going? And how did he get an accurate measure of your speed? If he was using his speedo to get a "fix" on your speed, when was it last callabrated? If he was giving you a ticket for excessive speed it is because speeding is dangerous, you could hurt yourself or others, so why wait to put his sirens on? Wouldnt he want to protect you from yourself A.S.A.P?
Just an observation.

Next time have a big fucking NOS bottle! Yeeeee Harr!

**scumdog** · 25th June 2005, 01:02

Originally Posted by Skyryder

That's an interesting analogy Spud. Lets counter it with another 'criminal' offence. I come home from work fancy a little slap and tickle with the wife but first I light up and smoke a joint. Do the buisness and afterwards have another one. Smoke that is. Tweny years ago it might have been different.

So have I commited two offences or just the one?

Skyryder

1st offence: needing a joint before 'slap and tickle' - you NEED that before s&t??

2nd offence: being awake enough to have another joint!!!