Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[Jack Miller]

My bike does 4950rpm at a real 100 km/h on a fresh tyre.

Lets see if I've understood you right.
1. You support a 4kph enforcement tolerance
2. You wouldn't mind if it was 1kph, might even be happier
3. You have no trouble riding at exactly 100kph because you know the revs exactly
4. You monitor your tyre wear meticulously and adjust your rpm figure as the tyre ages

Correct on all four, some or none?

[scumdog]

People who live on some streets around eden park stadium have been told they can not park vehicles on the road during the world cup so the roads will be clear, unless they pay for a parking permit at considerable cost.So if everyone payed for the permit, the roads are not clear, and the local council makes a lot of money.Speeding fines are the same.

Except you don't get them for parking...

[bsasuper]

Except you don't get them for parking...

You missed the point, look up, its way over your head is this how you give out tickets? (without thinking)

[scumdog]

You missed the point, look up, its way over your head is this how you give out tickets? (without thinking)

Oh I picked your obscure point OK - it's just I'm bored and poking the dog with a sharp stick seems a good idea right now...

[Ocean1]

Except you don't get them for parking...

Next year maybe, when they've reduced the limits and tolerances more, eh?

[Jack Miller]

Acquittals only at the discretion of a JP or Judge in a court hearing. So, how did you get an acquittal?
Harumph.

OK you got me there rastuscat but I was only trying to save words. I get the impression that most on the forum are fed up with me repeating myself, which I only do to try and get through to you & scumdog. I worded it much more carefully & accurately (and with more words) in my original post. Whether it was a JP / Judge or a senior traffic enforcer that made the decision the outcome was the same - I got off. Rightly too.

[scumdog]

Yawn.......

[rastuscat]

Yawn.......

Wot 'e said.

[rastuscat]

OK you got me there rastuscat but I was only trying to save words.

Trying to save words? Being economical with the truth, more like it.

Just to clarify, there are positions in the Infringement Bureau called adjudicators. They are normally long serving cops, or retired cops who are looking for an office job. They read all the letters of explanation and tickets that are written, and make decisions on further action or NFA. I trust their judgement, so despite having no idea why you have been let off I accept that it was the right thing.

However, the way you quote the law as granting an exemption for speed in a passing lane is very misleading. Further, the misquoting of our policies, which I happen to know very well, is further evidence of your tendency to spin your stories. Start the next one with 'Once Upon A Time', and we'll be able to see it as the fairy tale it is bound to be.

That'll learn ya.

Good night children, sleep tight, and mind the bed bugs don't bite.

[ducatilover]

Lets see if I've understood you right.
1. You support a 4kph enforcement tolerance
2. You wouldn't mind if it was 1kph, might even be happier
3. You have no trouble riding at exactly 100kph because you know the revs exactly
4. You monitor your tyre wear meticulously and adjust your rpm figure as the tyre ages

Correct on all four, some or none?

1: No, never said that. But was explaining, if need be one can have a fairly accurate idea of their speed.
2: I understand, you're a lawyer and those kind of questions get you more money.
3: No-one said exactly. Easy enough to do 100 or under. Or 110 and under
4: I do monitor my tyres, they are very important when one is on a motorcycle. Gearing commander can help with the RPM reading.

At the end of the day, if I get caught speeding (it's bound to happen one of these days) I am happy to admit I am speeding, if I doubt this, I will contact you. I will not attempt to worm my way out of it unless I have been wrongly accused. I do speed, but, have explained I can ride at or under the speed limit very easily. If you cannot keep your vehicle at a constant speed, I would suggest you pay more attention to your vehicle.

[Jack Miller]

It's good that you've given up Jacko,

I have given up repeating myself for the benefit of those who won't listen to the tedium of those who have.

There is no Police policy against ticketing in passing lanes. Please provide me with a copy of the one you are referring to, as I have just read our policy again, and you are talking tosh. The only reference to passing lanes is in the Speed Camera Policy, an entirely different policy which doesn't apply to mobile radar enforcement.

You raise something new here - it deserves its own thread.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-passing-lanes

[ducatilover]

Except you don't get them for parking...

You must spread repu.....blah blah

[Jack Miller]

1: No, never said that. But was explaining, if need be one can have a fairly accurate idea of their speed.

By watching their rev counter rather than their speedo. OK I get it.

2: I understand, you're a lawyer and those kind of questions get you more money.

Not a lawyer. Just forced to study it by a few renegade Popos who were eventually overruled by their superiors.

3: No-one said exactly. Easy enough to do 100 or under. Or 110 and under

Thought you were saying you could maintain an unusually steady speed without having to glue your eyes to a dial of some sort. That would have been helpful in the context. My mistake. Sorry.

4: I do monitor my tyres, they are very important when one is on a motorcycle. Gearing commander can help with the RPM reading.
...If you cannot keep your vehicle at a constant speed, I would suggest you pay more attention to your vehicle.

Oh so you ARE saying you can keep your vehicle at a constant speed.

Now I am confused. I totally get that rpm's can tell you your speed if you do the research. But how does this help you keep to a "constant" speed? You're either watching the speedo or the rev counter. I guess you could be listening to the engine rpms, but the difference between 100 & 104 kph on your bike is just 198rpm, and if you're talking "constant" a 1 kph difference is just 49.4rpm. If your ear can tell you that you should be a piano tuner, perhaps you are. The rest of us aren't. So I'm still not sure what your point is.

[ducatilover]

By watching their rev counter rather than their speedo. OK I get it.


Not a lawyer. Just forced to study it by a few renegade Popos who were eventually overruled by their superiors.


Thought you were saying you could maintain an unusually steady speed without having to glue your eyes to a dial of some sort. That would have been helpful in the context. My mistake. Sorry.



Oh so you ARE saying you can keep your vehicle at a constant speed.

Now I am confused. I totally get that rpm's can tell you your speed if you do the research. But how does this help you keep to a "constant" speed? You're either watching the speedo or the rev counter. I guess you could be listening to the engine rpms, but the difference between 100 & 104 kph on your bike is just 198rpm, and if you're talking "constant" a 1 kph difference is just 49.4rpm. If your ear can tell you that you should be a piano tuner, perhaps you are. The rest of us aren't. So I'm still not sure what your point is.

Use the RPMs eg 4900rpm to ascertain where the true 100kph is (give or take for expansion of tyres and what-not) Then where the speedo needle is sitting, keep it there. There isn't a huge need on the ZZR for reading gauges constantly, the Honda CB was different though, I was never as good at it on that.
I can tune a piano with a tuning fork, isn't that funny? It's far harder to get it accurate than the revs on a bike.

My point was, it is not hard to ride/drive most vehicles and not "accidentally" speed.
If you are completely incapable of keeping to the speedlimit you set yourself (you may be, I don not know) that is your problem. If you fail to understand this, it's not my problem also.
I am not saying I can do it all the time, but, most of the time I am competent in keeping my bike/car at a fairly constant speed.
I can see this is going to, yet again, fall on deaf ears or a closed mind.

[Jantar]

Personally, I prefer to watch the road and other traffic rather than my instruments. I find I'm involved in far fewer near misses that way.