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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2
    It's supposed to. For what it's worth I don't agree with the rationale behind L plates or the speed restriction for newbies.

    However I now know NOT to offer advice should we ever end up on a ride together.
    Come on.... the speed restriction is to stop people going on the motorway and stick to back country roads with a max speed limit of 70. It is a good thing. The fact that people want to ride on the motorways at 70 with everyone else doing 115 is their choice.

    The L-plate is supposed to let people know you are a novice and hence give you more room. It is a pity that a few people tend to abuse that fact and take advantage of someone who may not be able to adequately "fight back".

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsomeguy
    Come on.... the speed restriction is to stop people going on the motorway and stick to back country roads with a max speed limit of 70. It is a good thing. The fact that people want to ride on the motorways at 70 with everyone else doing 115 is their choice.

    The L-plate is supposed to let people know you are a novice and hence give you more room. It is a pity that a few people tend to abuse that fact and take advantage of someone who may not be able to adequately "fight back".

    Mate the fact that car drivers on a "L" plate can go at 100km on the motorway and m/bikes riders on "L" plates can only go 70km.

    Now that sux's....

    It should be the same for all car drivers and bike riders on "L" plates.
    They should ALL be able to go 100km on the motorways etc.

    "L" m/bike riders are on 250cc and under is ok by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsomeguy
    Come on.... the speed restriction is to stop people going on the motorway and stick to back country roads with a max speed limit of 70. It is a good thing. The fact that people want to ride on the motorways at 70 with everyone else doing 115 is their choice.

    The L-plate is supposed to let people know you are a novice and hence give you more room. It is a pity that a few people tend to abuse that fact and take advantage of someone who may not be able to adequately "fight back".
    Not so. The history behiond it indicates that the reason for the restriction was to "encourage" people to move on to the restricted licence. The 70kph restriction, and the L plate are , in effect, the only difference between the L and R classes.The grey men in Wellington believed that if they did not provide some "incentive" , people would just remain on the L class. They were not willing to allow derestrcited capacity on the R class (of course not ). So they had to restrict the L class further, somehow. Hence the 70kph limit.

    If they wanted to exclude L riders from motorways, they would simply have made that a condition of the licence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashe
    Mate the fact that car drivers on a "L" plate can go at 100km on the motorway and m/bikes riders on "L" plates can only go 70km.

    Now that sux's....

    It should be the same for all car drivers and bike riders on "L" plates.
    They should ALL be able to go 100km on the motorways etc.

    "L" m/bike riders are on 250cc and under is ok by me.
    Yeah but 100kms in a car when it goes pear shaped is a lot better than 100kms on a bike when it goes pear shaped.

    Also more than 80% of all the learner car drivers in NZ can't afford a car as fast as a 250 bike that 80% of L-plate bike riders can... the figures are a guess from my 8 years on the road.....

    The 70 K law is to STOP L-Plate bikes going on the motorways.

    Many children would have grown up being driven on a motorway and would have been a passenger in a car being exposed to what it feels like being on the motorway while their parents/friends etc are driving. They may have even received a lot of feedback (ok sonny now I'm going to take the next exit - can you make sure it is all clear on your left, etc, etc) on the conditions around them as they were being driven down the motorway from these friends and relatives.

    However comparatively very few people would have been a pillion on a bike on the motorway and even then wouldn't have been able to see or note what the rider they are with was looking at or doing.

    Hence the logic behind preventing L-Plate riders from going on the motorway for 6 months - so that they can come to grips with the dynamics of being on two wheels. However if they have to then they are restricted to a speed where a lower amount of reflexes are required.

    EDIT: OH YEAH - AND THE BIG ONE - L-PLATE CAR DRIVERS ALWAYS HAVE AN EXPERIENCED DRIVER WITH THEM
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    I love the banter and advice that comes with biking - granted the grey brigade tend not to offer me advice these days, probably because they think I know it all. But I don't. Anyone that claims to know everything there is to know about biking is sooooo very wrong. A biking is all about learning - be it related to road sense, road positioning, defensive riding or hazard perception. But wrinklies offering their views on life the universe and everything while at traffic lights is probably not the best time. Next time simply say, " Yeah I know that, Mr Tickle told me. Would you like to see my unusual birth mark". I find this tends to ward people off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    Not so. The history behiond it indicates that the reason for the restriction was to "encourage" people to move on to the restricted licence. The 70kph restriction, and the L plate are , in effect, the only difference between the L and R classes.The grey men in Wellington believed that if they did not provide some "incentive" , people would just remain on the L class. They were not willing to allow derestrcited capacity on the R class (of course not ). So they had to restrict the L class further, somehow. Hence the 70kph limit.

    If they wanted to exclude L riders from motorways, they would simply have made that a condition of the licence.
    I see, I stand corrected then.

    I always felt- I am really just speaking from my gut - not using facts here - that the purpose was not to completely restrict people but sort of strongly dissuade them from venturing out at open road speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff
    Would you like to see my unusual birth mark
    Where's the pic??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket
    This is just a general rant, and maybe im wrong...I am aware that the rather large bright yellow "L" plate does pretty much give it away, Im a learner!!
    Lol, if you weren't doing anything wrong as you say, then just ignore such advice-giving turkeys...

    And no, "L" doesn't mean loser, it means [L]ook out for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff
    Next time simply say, " Yeah I know that, Mr Tickle told me. Would you like to see my unusual birth mark". I find this tends to ward people off.
    It's funny you should say that . . .
    "Some people are like clouds, once they fuck off, it's a great day!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zed
    Lol, if you weren't doing anything wrong as you say, then just ignore such advice-giving turkeys...
    so I'm a turkey now huh?? Is that a promotion from grasshopper??

    ......Says the guy riding the big black turkey (say have you thought what sort of bird your bike is -- hehehehehehe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsomeguy
    Yeah but 100kms in a car when it goes pear shaped is a lot better than 100kms on a bike when it goes pear shaped.

    Also more than 80% of all the learner car drivers in NZ can't afford a car as fast as a 250 bike that 80% of L-plate bike riders can... the figures are a guess from my 8 years on the road.....

    The 70 K law is to STOP L-Plate bikes going on the motorways.

    Hence the logic behind preventing L-Plate riders from going on the motorway for 6 months - so that they can come to grips with the dynamics of being on two wheels. However if they have to then they are restricted to a speed where a lower amount of reflexes are required.
    Mate there are so many young people on a "L" plate car license that are really speeding out there.... they can afford the TURBO cars....
    Some can afford to put in huge big radios and speakers that cost one hell of a lot more than the average 250cc m/bike.
    They also do up crappy honda civic's and mazda's into these drag cars....
    Now that also costs big money to do that...

    I truely believe if you have a "L" plate then all should be able to go 100km.
    If the rider doesnt feel comfortable to do 100km on the motorway thats ok... cos you are allowed to do 70km....

    Some riders need time to build up that speed. Which is why they stick to the suberbs for a while til they feel confident in their riding skills.

    I am not sure what is the slowest legal speed limit on the motorway...
    Where is Spud or Bykeycop when ya need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zed
    And no, "L" doesn't mean loser, it means [L]ook out for me!
    lol!! It's funny how I used to always call "L" platers Losers . . . now I am one . . .

    In all honesty I have no issues with the L plate, yes it does warn people that im not quite up to skill yet. But I never realised how much one did actually get noticed till I had one attached to my arse! It is actually quite off-putting sometimes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashe
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    I am not sure what is the slowest legal speed limit on the motorway...
    Where is Spud or Bykeycop when ya need them.
    There's a big debate going on in another thread. Some say it is 40 kph. But no-one's been able to cite the legislation. (Assuming you don't unreasonably inpede other drivers etc)

    (Apropos, I very very very vaguely remember that when the first motorway in Auckland was opened, it had a 25 mph signpost on it ??? Anyone else remember 25mph signposts on the mootorway ? 25mph = 40kph )
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
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    Quote Originally Posted by justsomeguy
    so I'm a turkey now huh?? Is that a promotion from grasshopper??

    ......Says the guy riding the big black turkey (say have you thought what sort of bird your bike is -- hehehehehehe)
    I was referring to the two turkeys who gave him advice from their car windows, not you...but if the shoe fits?
    My bike is the 'Bird, but apparently it gets eaten for breakfast by the 'Busa bird!!

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    Advice is a dangerous game to get into. I remember receiving a PM from a member who has posted in this thread complimenting me on my bike (the previous one) and also on my lane-splitting as I went past them on the way to work that morning, confessing that they didn't like doing that. I responded by basically telling them to harden up and the lane-splitting will come with confidence.

    Little did I know until actually having a decent chat with said biker some months later that they'd actually been riding for many many years, done some racing and didn't get into the lane-splitting game cos they were too sensible, unlike young(er) nutters like me!! Time to remove foot from mouth.

    Sympathise with you on the receiving advice bit though, it's all good when they're giving advice you want to hear, but it can get a bit tiresome when people attempt to inflict their views of life the universe and everything on you. Hell, if everyone took my advice, learners would start on 600s with no numberplates and bad attitudes, stand-up wheelies would be tought on the CBTA Full course, and 1000cc sportsbikes would be compulsory for full licenses. Unfortunately that may result in a severe depletion of living and able riders.
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