Two2Cool, high oil temp solution??

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From the manufacturer:

Our main ingredient has a negative charge on the last molecule. This makes it have a high afinity to heat. What it does is attach itself to the oil molecules. Then as temps goes up it drags their oil molecules towards the heat where it belongs.

Its really simple. Tell them it doesnt change their oil. It just makes it attracted to heat.

It doesnt lower oil temps. It keeps them from being made due to keeping it where it belongs.

Most people who have posted have some valid points all of which indicate they are happy with what they have. As I said before, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

As far as the manufacturers not including the stuff from new. There is a lot of things that bikes don't NEED. That is why there is an industry of aftermarket products, diffeent people different needs.

Or what about the '04 RMZ250, it needed bigger radiators. In '05 it got them. But what about all the people who still have '04s? Spend $800 on radiators or $40 on a product that has been shown to do more?

Whether or not you think the product works or not is your own choice. I was skeptical at first but have tested it myself in many bikes with the results promised. If it hadn't lived up to that I wouldn't have started distributing it, simple as that. If you don't think outside the box your living in a square.

As far as all the 'modern bikes don't have problems' goes. Try telling that to the hundreds of people who ride 250 four stroke motocrossers who have had them blow up due to overheating. Suddenly a $40 bottle of oil doesn't seem so significant is helping prevent a 3 thousand dollar motor injury.

There is probably more heat related problems in motocross than on road. I was only responding to comments made about a product we are the agent for. You either beleive in it as many satisfied users have, don't need it or don't care / agree with the concept. Either way I am not going to stand in front of what you beleive is or isn't happening inside your motor when temperatures exceed normal.

Allways found that the MX bikes ran very well with anti freeze/boil in them...

Oh and a good dose of Castrol...

[Lou Girardin]

So where are these areas that the oil is being repeld from? If it's an area of heat you will find the designer has directed oil to that area,to take heat away - crankshafts and other plain bearings are selfexplantatory,they have an oil feed,oil is directed under piston crowns,flows over cyl heads,around valves,all the time carrying away heat.The oil takes heat AWAY....so what does this stuff do to help the oil?

You got it wrong Motu. This stuff stops the heat being generated in the first place.

[vifferman]

From the manufacturer:

Our main ingredient has a negative charge on the last molecule. This makes it have a high afinity to heat. What it does is attach itself to the oil molecules. Then as temps goes up it drags their oil molecules towards the heat where it belongs.

Beautiful pseudo-science that.
So, heat must be positively-charged then?

Its really simple. Tell them it doesnt change their oil. It just makes it attracted to heat.

I hope it has a warning on the bottle to that effect. Just imagine it:
Joe Dumm-Arrz buys this miracle heat-seeking product, and goes to pour it into his bike, which has been subject to overheating, because his regular bike oil has the wrong attitude, wrong charge, and is scared of heat. As he takes the cap off, all of a sudden, the MiracleTwo2Kewl4U leaps out of the bottle, and splashes itself all over the hot header pipes, the hot, sticky race slicks, and Joe's hot brolly babe.

[Motu]

This stuff has been talked about in Thumper Talk a lot,the so called maker of the stuff is a member.

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Here's what the oil guru's have to say about it.

Bobistheoilguy

Maybe it's valid for a dirt bike with low oil capacity,low airflow and extreme use,but Babalfish would have trouble decyphering the mysterious hype....if I can't even understand their laymans explanation it's somewhere I don't want to go.

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This stuff has been talked about in Thumper Talk a lot,the so called maker of the stuff is a member.

two 2 cool

even more 2 cool

Here's what the oil guru's have to say about it.

Bobistheoilguy

Maybe it's valid for a dirt bike with low oil capacity,low airflow and extreme use,but Babalfish would have trouble decyphering the mysterious hype....if I can't even understand their laymans explanation it's somewhere I don't want to go.

If the laymens explanation is not understandable then its just a load of cobblers. I've sean these "wonders" come and go. Can't say I have met anyone who has bothered using them either. Would of thought I might have after all the hype. Oh well that must be all it is...

[vifferman]

The VFR OilGuy said this:

"So, I'm just wondering, have any VFR list members heard about Two2Cool? Better yet, have any of you tried it? (For the record, my stance is this -- motor oils are carefully formulated for best performance and rarely does any oil additive help.)"
It'll be interesting to see what develops there. There's also a guy on one of the VFR forums that does oil analysis for a living, so I'm sure summat interesting will come from him too.

[Ixion]

From the manufacturer:

Our main ingredient has a negative charge on the last molecule. This makes it have a high afinity to heat. What it does is attach itself to the oil molecules. Then as temps goes up it drags their oil molecules towards the heat where it belongs.

Its really simple. Tell them it doesnt change their oil. It just makes it attracted to heat.

It doesnt lower oil temps. It keeps them from being made due to keeping it where it belongs.

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That does not seem to be sound chemistry. In very simplified terms, oil breaks down from excess heat because the heat causes the oil to degrade. The long chemical chains break down to shorter ones, which have less lubrication qualities. Shorter ones combine into longer ones, but longer ones which lack lubricating properties (eg varnish, gum etc)

No molecules "seek" heat or "evade" heat. Molecular structures are affected in different ways , to a greater or lesser extent, by heat.

It is possible for an additive to protect the oil molecules from some of the effects of heat degradation (and of course modern oils contain many such additives as standard)

I could believe an after market additive that offered heat protection, which was not included by the oil manufacturers because they doubted the cost benefit balance for the typical user. But was worthwhile for extreme users.

But this pseudo-chemical explanation makes no sense.

[MSTRS:Me]

Our main ingredient has a negative charge on the last molecule. This makes it have a high afinity to heat. What it does is attach itself to the oil molecules. Then as temps goes up it drags their oil molecules towards the heat where it belongs.

Negative charge! Ha! Anyway, the oil circulation system puts the oil where it belongs with the express purpose being that the oil will then fuck off somewhere else, taking the heat with it.

Its really simple. Tell them it doesnt change their oil. It just makes it attracted to heat.

If it's added to oil, then it must change the oil.

It doesnt lower oil temps. It keeps them from being made due to keeping it where it belongs.

Only way to 'keep them from being made' is to NOT START THE ENGINE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[Brody@DivisionX]

This stuff has been talked about in Thumper Talk a lot,the so called maker of the stuff is a member.

two 2 cool

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Here's what the oil guru's have to say about it.

Bobistheoilguy

Maybe it's valid for a dirt bike with low oil capacity,low airflow and extreme use,but Babalfish would have trouble decyphering the mysterious hype....if I can't even understand their laymans explanation it's somewhere I don't want to go.

Thanks for posting up those links. I can understand it is hard it is to comprehend how it works, I am learning more each day. The thousands of people using it prove its worth. Just search on google or most of the online forums like thumpertalk and ktmtalk for yourselves, and you'll see exactly the same skeptiscism, exactly the same comments, exactly the same minor level of abuse towards the people who support the product. We only distribute it, we didn't make it. Look round other forums where the actual producer posts and you will find people like you people like me, people more clued up than all of us and their answers to all your questions.

Hopefully the thumpertalk and ktmtalk forums satisfy all your queries. For those of you with the old school barrier towards change up give them a look anyway. If the product is so hillarious these threads will give you hours and hours of laughter. I love comedy, and if there was a site that was gonna make me laugh that much I'd be on it now.

Back to work. Thanks for your time.

[TwoSeven]

Beautiful pseudo-science that.
So, heat must be positively-charged then?

Positively charged heat. I was pissin meself. I suspect the tv ad. has a woman in a white suit wearing glasses to make it look authentic too.

[TwoSeven]

Thanks for posting up those links. I can understand it is hard it is to comprehend how it works, I am learning more each day.

Dude - stop trying to scam people.

[tl_tub]

...The thousands of people using it prove its worth. ...

Yep! Just like the thousands of people that use magnetic pillows/underlays!?

[Silage]

Yep! Just like the thousands of people that use magnetic pillows/underlays!?

You can get that sorta stuff to put in your fuel tank too.

Hey 2Stroke and Brody@DivisionX I\it seems you are new around here so stick around and tell us about your biking escapades. However this thread looks more like a sales pitch and would be better in the "Product review" section (although possibly it could belong here in the "rave" section )

[Pixie]

Yeah, that's what I meant by Castrol R. It stays where the heat is. Varnishes teh inside of your engine nicely too.

smells nice... mmmmm........castor oil

[Pixie]

You got it wrong Motu. This stuff stops the heat being generated in the first place.

I have an additive that does just that.Add it to your engine oil and wait 24hrs,works best in a high humidity environment.
available in 40 kg packs for $15
made by Holcim