Chance of a lifetime: YOU can decide on the message that will unite all bikers

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th January 2012, 14:37

Originally Posted by jafar

they would be included if the licence system was used. class 7 psychlist

Careful. Their lycra will start 'bunching up'...then they'll come looking for you!!

No, the licence thing won't be a fairer system. Now that I've had a chance to let it percolate - what occurs to me is that the levy will be apportioned on your 'riskiest' class. So we'll get stung again. Lots of people got a class 6 when they were 15 (cheap step-through to replace the bicycle) used 2 wheels for a couple of years, then got a 'sensible vehicle' and never got on 2 wheels again. But the class stays on your licence forever, doesn't it?

**jafar** · 16th January 2012, 15:31

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Careful. Their lycra will start 'bunching up'...then they'll come looking for you!!

No, the licence thing won't be a fairer system. Now that I've had a chance to let it percolate - what occurs to me is that the levy will be apportioned on your 'riskiest' class. So we'll get stung again. Lots of people got a class 6 when they were 15 (cheap step-through to replace the bicycle) used 2 wheels for a couple of years, then got a 'sensible vehicle' and never got on 2 wheels again. But the class stays on your licence forever, doesn't it?

We all have a licence, one only. it has a unique number , that licence then has a subsection of classes held by the 'owner' of that licence. your licence would get levied @ $xxxx , mine with a few more classes on it would be levied @ the same as yours $xxxx . one licence, one fee, thats it. It doesn't matter which class i'm driving, I can only drive one @ a time anyway.
Remember ACC is personal accident insurance,so why have personal insurance attached to a vehicle?? When you think about it , it's a crazy system.

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th January 2012, 15:53

Originally Posted by jafar

We all have a licence, one only. it has a unique number , that licence then has a subsection of classes held by the 'owner' of that licence. your licence would get levied @ $xxxx , mine with a few more classes on it would be levied @ the same as yours $xxxx . one licence, one fee, thats it. It doesn't matter which class i'm driving, I can only drive one @ a time anyway.

Mate....I never took you to be naive. Trust me when I say that IF it changed to licence-based, we WILL be pinged according to the class/es on that licence. Now that ACC uses risk as a levy-setting factor, sadly that is unlikely to ever go away.

Originally Posted by jafar

Remember ACC is personal accident insurance,so why have personal insurance attached to a vehicle?? When you think about it , it's a crazy system.

I think this is where ACC came in, originally. One fee from all, for all accident cover and compensation, covered by an addition to general taxation. Didn't take long for the pollies to split it into different funds. So we started paying here, there and somewhere else as well.

**Conquiztador** · 16th January 2012, 17:14

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

How'd this become an ACC thread???

Called "thread hijack". People with an agenda re ACC sees an opportunity to tell the world how they have the solution, and...

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Because the only message that seems to come anywhere close to uniting all bikers in all our different forms seems to be "ACC is broken" and even then there is disagreement on how and why it is broken, perhaps not the why as that is the politicians fault.

Nope. You are wrong. The only thing that DID unite us was that the ACC increase was too fucking high! Full stop.

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Because it's the one thing that is still a very raw issue for so many of us? And Conquistador was asking if there was ONE THING that could unite us.
Trouble is, none of us is united over ACC either, except insofaras many of us have strong views one way or the other about the whole debacle.

Therefore anything about ACC (apart from a lower fee) will never unite us. Among us we have greenies, neo nazies, hippies, commies, self employed, freezing-work workers, unemployed, students, beneficiaries, and list goes on forever. As a result any nyance of the ACC issue will be represented.

My intention with this thread was to get the riders/bike owners to do some thinking and wind down the issues until we come to a place we can all agree on. There has been a few contributions on here in this thread that could be the one. But sadly the "how should ACC look like in the future" will never be the one. Lets assume that I would at some forseeable future start a "movement" based on a statement that came out of this, I would NEVER allow the setup of ACC to become part fo what I/we would fight for. Only what ALL bikers can agree on. And currently that is the too high fee placed on us.

Originally Posted by jafar

Evolution, the one thing that came close to uniting motorcycists was & still is the ACC system & it's many failings.

Oddly enough the shirts we all paid out for with "ACC who's next" was the closest we have ever got to being a united force.

It came as a great surprise to many ute owners that they were the next ones to be arse raped by ACC & they didn't know until they went to re register their personal transport.

And there is merit in making the message so broad that other interest groups would adopt it and support whatever it stood for.

And lastly: I could (and have) discuss my views on ACC also. But not in this thread as it is not the right place to try to score points. Instead try to come up with something that we could infact use as a broad enough message to get us all to stand up and make a difference.

(Kicking my soapbox in to the corner where it belongs, bloody thing...)

**Ocean1** · 16th January 2012, 17:44

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Pffft! The biggest cost to ACC is people mowing the lawn

The less time spent mowing the lawns the less chance of an incident I say...

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**caseye** · 16th January 2012, 17:47

Keep it right where it is Con, lets see if this scurvy lot can actually think on their feet.
I like what Jafar has said about 1 licence one fee For All, and how this would automatically involve all licence holders.
But the line is just there and I'm having to avoid using that word again because like you I don;t think it is going to be the issue that makes your idea fly.
So come on you lot, thinking caps on, no hassling here just ideas and kicking em around.

**mashman** · 16th January 2012, 18:21

We all ride, drive, cycle, walk etc... lots of us have accidents, most in the home apparently. Rehab etc... is paid for by ACC irrespective of where and how it happens. That is done by collecting levies from several places. Funny, I could swear that I am just 1 person.

An accident is an accident. I can fall off a ladder, I can smash the car, I can high side the bike, I pay for all of my levies from my salary, as does everyone else. So why not pay a single levy from my salary? After all, I am 1 person. It will stop people from dodging their "responsibility" to all of us by not paying, be it in protest (selfish bastards, making a stand my arse

) or be it because they're a really great driver and won;t need cover coz it'll never happen to them, and either way, they'll get ACC irrespective of wether they've payed or not. By all means put levies on fuel, but not on the person as they will have already paid from their salary.

Sorry, but I don't have a slogan for that.

**James Deuce** · 16th January 2012, 18:37

I've got it!

As Billy Connolly said, "Fuck Them All!"

**schrodingers cat** · 16th January 2012, 19:34

Well you're looking for catchy and accurate so how about

United? Not in my lifetime!

**Brian d marge** · 16th January 2012, 21:44

Originally Posted by schrodingers cat

Well you're looking for catchy and accurate so how about

United? Not in my lifetime!

Thats a goodun ...

very accurate

Stephen

oh I do have an alternative to todays economic, governmental problems , and remind me to email u about data logging stuff

cant think at the moment , knackered

**mashman** · 17th January 2012, 11:37

We're coming to take over. Get out of the fuckin way.

**Katman** · 17th January 2012, 12:07

Originally Posted by Conquiztador

My intention with this thread was to get the riders/bike owners to do some thinking and wind down the issues until we come to a place we can all agree on.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130236476