Licence tests - is this shonky or what

[Ixion]

Sorry Ixion, yes they did get the northern sector back after the AA stuffed it up.
When I joined NZDL the requirement was for car and truck/trailer licences only.
The reasoning is that you have to be able to return the vehicle to base if the driver is incapable. Obviously, on a bike test you can't do that anyway.
Don't rely too much on what the LTNZ minions say, these are the people that decided that Taxi applicants could use interpreters.

Thanks. Though presumably on a bike test, if the rider was really bad, if the tester had a full bike licence he could ride the bike back with the applicant as pillion ?

Interesting point that. If a person is sitting a restricted-> full car test, he is already licensed to drive on the road. Even if he makes a total stuff up of the test, the testing officer can't forbid him to drive. And, as he has already passed the restricted he must be capable at least of basic driving - he can cause the car to move. If it's a learner->restricted, is different cos the learner must have a licensed passenger, and has not yet passed any practical test, so might be totally incapable of driving.

But, a bike is different. The learner has already passed a test , the BHS , that car learners don't have to pass. And accordingly is permitted to drive unaccompanied, and must (should anyway) have the basic skills to do so.

Which I suspect would be the logic behind the "Don't need bike license." In a car, the tester might find that the applicant cannot physically handle the car enough to get back. A bike applicant, in theory, that should never happen cos they've passed the BHS.

[vifferman]

I reckon we should add "I may be worngA" to the official KB lexicon, with those perennial favourites, "gargre", "communte", "sprot" et alia. But do we add the whole phrase, or just the important bit, "worngA" ?

But I think we'll leave "the testers are probably not particularly good rivers" out for the time being.

Oh pharke - it's "carrot o'clock", and I haven't got my headphones on yet. Oh the horror! The humanity! (This is the time of day when NearestAnnoyingDweeboid adopts BunnyMode and crunches on a large carrot. It's all I can do to not tell him it's going in the wrong orofice...)

Yes, I'm a GrumpyOldePharte, but I haven't had any tablets (no, not even those made from dried frog foreskins) since yesterday morning. Or maybe I'm just worngA.

[Ixion]

hmmm... (06) 8341952

They seem to be NZDL. Have you spoken to them?

Good stuff. that is them, They promise a ManWithAnswers will call back.

EDIT UPDATE. The ManWithAnswers called back. A Mr Jeoff Brose or similar. Very concerned that I was not the press - almost paranoid. Assured him I was not. He says :

No, not all their testers that do motorcycles tests have motorcycle licenses. He considers it is not required. I will go back to Noel@LTSA with that. Commented that "many of our testers do have motorcycle licenses"

They randomly audit each TESTER every 3 months. Very vague about whether any of the audits would be on motorycle tests (in fairness, given the ratio of motorcycle to car tests , a random choice would make a motorcycle audit very rare indeed.)

He went on at some length about the two way radio thing they are bringing in.

He claims they ARE ISO900 accredited. I didn't push that at this stage, I'll check a bit further to make sure of my facts before I dispute it. (Trouble is people can SAY "We're ISO9000 " - doesn''t mean they've sat the ISO test - and not sitting doesn't mean they're not good )

(He is in Auckland. but their administrative HQ is in Napier. And the company office is in Whakatane. How odd)

[Lou Girardin]

Thanks. Though presumably on a bike test, if the rider was really bad, if the tester had a full bike licence he could ride the bike back with the applicant as pillion ?

Interesting point that. If a person is sitting a restricted-> full car test, he is already licensed to drive on the road. Even if he makes a total stuff up of the test, the testing officer can't forbid him to drive. And, as he has already passed the restricted he must be capable at least of basic driving - he can cause the car to move. If it's a learner->restricted, is different cos the learner must have a licensed passenger, and has not yet passed any practical test, so might be totally incapable of driving.

But, a bike is different. The learner has already passed a test , the BHS , that car learners don't have to pass. And accordingly is permitted to drive unaccompanied, and must (should anyway) have the basic skills to do so.

Which I suspect would be the logic behind the "Don't need bike license." In a car, the tester might find that the applicant cannot physically handle the car enough to get back. A bike applicant, in theory, that should never happen cos they've passed the BHS.

I wouldn't leave my car to pillion a failure back to base.
The instructor really only takes over when the learners failure was dangerous. I did it maybe 6 times in two years. He can't forbid him to drive. When the cops were testing, they could do all that and issue a ticket. The learner can refuse to let him drive, but that would be very counter-productive in terms of future tests.
With a bike test, there really is nothing the tester can do, except stop the rider, tell him he's failed and it's up to him if he rides away.

[Jantar]

....No, not all their testers that do motorcycles tests have motorcycle licenses. He considers it is not required....

I'm about due to have my BFR for my pilots licence. That's effectively where I have to retake my practical flight test every two years. Now, I wonder if I can find a tester who isn't a licenced pilot to test me.

[raster]

Speaking of LTSA:

Went into AA to book License test, can't do without form filled out etc. goto LTSA.

Went to LTSA in Mt wellington, No. can't do it without Form filled out and all things complete!

Hop on the web type in drivers lisence No. book test with a choice of different times and places and pay with credit card.

Is that wanky or not

[Waylander]

Quik question about the theory test for full lisences.

Are they multiple choice or written answere or a combination?

The answere to that will determin how hard I study for it.

[raster]

Quik question about the theory test for full lisences.

Are they multiple choice or written answere or a combination?

The answere to that will determin how hard I study for it.

When you looking at doing your full.

[Waylander]

When you looking at doing your full.

Monday, only have to take the theory test.

[Ixion]

Quik question about the theory test for full lisences.

Are they multiple choice or written answere or a combination?

The answere to that will determin how hard I study for it.

Multiple choice. The questions (but not the answers) are in the road code

[Waylander]

Multiple choice. The questions (but not the answers) are in the road code

Right then, quik scan of each road code the on sunday to prepare me for monday. Just like I did for my bike lisence back in Dallas. Thanks guys.

[raster]

Good on ya mate, they gave me a car theory to do the bike.
One example, How far forward of the drivers seat are you allowed something to stick, I said 3 Metres and got 100%.

I'm sure that's relevent to motorcycle.

[Waylander]

Good on ya mate, they gave me a car theory to do the bike.
One example, How far forward of the drivers seat are you allowed something to stick, I said 3 Metres and got 100%.

I'm sure that's relevent to motorcycle.

How far forward of the drivers seat are you allowed something to stick??

Care to explain that question? Are you talking about like decrative stuff or something different all together?

[raster]

I think it's to do with transporting stuff, I thort i the most stupid question I have ever had.
What is the drivers seat got to do with the front of the vehicle.

[Waylander]

I think it's to do with transporting stuff, I thort i the most stupid question I have ever had.
What is the drivers seat got to do with the front of the vehicle.

Oh as in if you have something strapped to the roof, it can hang over the front of the car by three meters. I know what you mean now. Something I will probably never use even when driving a car but hey they have to cover all the bases don't they.