Two2Cool, high oil temp solution??

[2stroke]

Found this stuff, thought it might be of interest.

HOW IT WORKS: From the NZ importers site.
Engine oils primary function is Lubricating and cooling. Oil is the best lubricant, there is nothing better. This is why we use it. Many engine oils share common base stocks. Then the manufacturer adds additional additive packages to design an oil for specific use.

Oil has one problem. It hates heat. Engine oils repel from heat and pressure. Some at faster rates than others. Also as temps increase an oils viscosity rating decreases (thins). Every moving/friction causing part in your engine is causing heat. So, as temps increase the thinner the oil becomes and the faster the oil is repelled from parts which need it.

What Two2cool does is it reverses the direction of oil. It changes an oils attitude toward heat. It makes the oil find the heat, go to heat and stay where its needed the most. Oil treated with Two2cool becomes attracted to heat. As temps increase the more the oil is attracted to heat and at a faster rate. The biggest misconception is that Two2cool cools your oil. Engine oil treated with Two2Cool never lets the heat be generated in the first place. In other words it stops the heat, at the source and before it happens. Lowering engine temps better than any other product we know of and making “Power when you need it the most”

I do realize this sounds too simple but think of the following. As soon as you start your engine every moving part is generating heat. As rpm’s/loads increase so does the heat being made. As temps get higher so does the rate your oil tries to repel from the heat. In return lessening the lubrication/cooling in that area only making temps increase at a faster rate. Where does it end?

With the proper amount of Two2cool in your oil this never happens. Upon the first revolution your oil is seeking heat. As temps increase so does the rate your oil is trying to find the heat and stay where the heat is.

The majority of additive packages in engine oils are anti scuffing/extreme pressure agents. Also the additive package in many oils are temperature sensitive. With extreme temps the oil thins these additives are rapidly depleted. This is why with extreme oils temps we have to change the oil so often. It often comes out dark and much thinner.

How well Two2Cool does its job is directly related to the oil temps you are getting. In extreme oil temp situations we are seeing a drop of 50 to 60 degrees F.

We invite any questions and Two2Cool USA have an open offer to anyone who wants to see our product work in a real test.

More info and testing on www.two2cool.com
Yet more info on NZ importers site www.divisionx.co.nz/Shop/two2cool.htm

What do you guys think? Miracle oil or an actual solution.

[WRT]

Interesting that the pic on their home page is of a two-stroke . . .

Has anyone tried this? Assuming this stuff does work, theoretically it would slow down your engines warm up times? Would you need to be more careful when warming up in the mornings?

It would have been damn good in the TL during summer tho . . . nothing like sitting atop the rear cylinder to heat up the seat!

[Lou Girardin]

Sounds like bullshit to me.
Where does all this heat the oil is "attracted" to get dissipated if you don't have an oil cooler?

[Ixion]

What's wrong with Castrol R ?

[inlinefour]

Sounds like bullshit to me.
Where does all this heat the oil is "attracted" to get dissipated if you don't have an oil cooler?

Kind of like saying "we have an additive to repel gravity". My bikes run sweet as without this crap, makes me wonder if its just a last ditch attempt to keep a motor running before it eventually implodes. Or, more to the point this stuff will help a motor on its merry way to imploding. Oh, there is nothing wrong with Castrol, I have used for many a year and still do...

[vifferman]

If it's obsessively and efficiently heat-seeking, surely it will find its way into the cylinder, then out the zorst?

Sounds like "fuel conditioners", perpetual motion machines and the like.
If it was so good, it would already be added to the oil pack the major companies use.

Edit: I got it!
Water has better cooling properties than oil - it's just water and an emulsifier. And perhaps a little snake oil.

[Motu]

Bunk - the thinner an oil is the better it transfers heat,the oil is directed to areas that it's needed by oil galleries,these are all hot spots,then the oil carries away the heat to be transfered out....somehow.Oil is not gunna go somewhere it's not sent,this is all taken care of in engine design,not much you can do about that.True,oil will travel away from heat....but that's what you want surely? Castor is the only oil to stay where heat is,maybe they add castor? Good for the smell....but you can buy your own castor oil,even get a synthetic blend these days.

[Ixion]

Bunk - the thinner an oil is the better it transfers heat,the oil is directed to areas that it's needed by oil galleries,these are all hot spots,then the oil carries away the heat to be transfered out....somehow.Oil is not gunna go somewhere it's not sent,this is all taken care of in engine design,not much you can do about that.True,oil will travel away from heat....but that's what you want surely? Castor is the only oil to stay where heat is,maybe they add castor? Good for the smell....but you can buy your own castor oil,even get a synthetic blend these days.

Yeah, that's what I meant by Castrol R. It stays where the heat is. Varnishes teh inside of your engine nicely too.

[Brody@DivisionX]

Has anyone tried this? Assuming this stuff does work, theoretically it would slow down your engines warm up times? Would you need to be more careful when warming up in the mornings?

It would have been damn good in the TL during summer tho . . . nothing like sitting atop the rear cylinder to heat up the seat!

It does not affect warm up times. The hotter a motor gets the better it works. When your bike is cold Two2Cool is not doing much at all inside of your motor.

[Brody@DivisionX]

Sounds like bullshit to me.
Where does all this heat the oil is "attracted" to get dissipated if you don't have an oil cooler?

This is a common misconception about this product. Two2Cool does not cool your oil. It makes your oil more attracted to heat.

As a part of the motor gets hot oil repels away from it and it gets hotter and hotter. Its double jeapardy, where your oil is needed inside a hot motor is where it is less likely to be.

It works by not allowing heat to be generated in the first place.

[MSTRS:Me]

Certainly sounds like crap to me. So that annoying diff whine is getting to you? No problem. Just add a banana skin or two. Voila! Whine gone. HA!
Engines are designed to run at (whatever temperature) which will vary from one to another. Oil/water/air/thermostat is used to keep the temperature within the designed tolerance. If you run too cool, engine performance goes down & wear factors go up. If you are running too hot, then something is wrong in your system (and it's not the lack of an additive that your oil never came with)

[Brody@DivisionX]

Kind of like saying "we have an additive to repel gravity". My bikes run sweet as without this crap, makes me wonder if its just a last ditch attempt to keep a motor running before it eventually implodes. Or, more to the point this stuff will help a motor on its merry way to imploding. Oh, there is nothing wrong with Castrol, I have used for many a year and still do...

Some bikes don't have a problem full stop.

Some owners of bikes don't take their bikes to the limit. So for normal day to day use they don't need additives. Others need them to keep their engine wear down when they are giving them hell and increase horsepower etc etc.

In your case if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[TwoSeven]

Generally not a good idea to apply car products to bikes. There are enough differences between the two to make things become *really* expensive.

Engine oil in bikes usually runs around 60C at the oil cooler. Yes, its the main part of the cooling system on the machine (more so than the water side), and yes, engine oil for bikes needs to run as thin as possible for the situation.

In the darkest depths of winter you put in a heavy oil to prevent it freezing and to cause friction (so you generate heat) to get the oil temp UP to 60C. In the summer you do the opposite - thin stuff to cool the engine and remove friction. Generally for a hot engine tho - thinner oil is better in order to get optimum circulation and minimal drag on the engine.

Ideally you want new oil in, old out - but thats not possible on a bike, so it goes thru a filter into a holding tank and is then re-circulated. When it becomes black (or thicker than your requirements) you replace it.

Modern bikes dont really require that much on the lubricating side of things. If you look carefully at each component you'll find that they are usually surface treated for hardness and (in the case of pistons etc) slipperyness already - you'll also find that most parts actually have very little loads applied to them. I figure these days there is probably nothing in the bike that a bit of grease wouldnt do the same job for. Hence oil use is really just for cooling/heating.

[MSTRS:Me]

Who remembers Slick50?

[vifferman]

This is a common misconception about this product. Two2Cool does not cool your oil. It makes your oil more attracted to heat.

As a part of the motor gets hot oil repels away from it and it gets hotter and hotter. Its double jeapardy, where your oil is needed inside a hot motor is where it is less likely to be.

It works by not allowing heat to be generated in the first place.

W-o-w-w-w!!

To be said in a slow, drawn-out fashion, while rolling your eyes.