Okay, how about this?

[rastuscat]

Would only work if the officer had any idea what they are looking at. How many cops doing this are trained riders?

4 trained patrol riders. Me plus my 3 full time riders. Yes, we know what we are talking about.

[rastuscat]

I googled .... and found this ...

http://www.motorcycleschool.co.nz/in...=special-deals

Yup, that's one of the providers I want to refer people to.

Check my other posts, I posted the three providers a few weeks back, coz I want folk to go do the training, regardless of why. Voluntarily is always good.

BTW, I rang the school quoted above yesterday, they've had quite a good uptake. Lots more people will do training voluntarily if it costs less. Funny old thing.

[rastuscat]

I actually would like to see cops advocating better training, i think that would have a bit more impact.

Um, call me a silly sausage, but isn't that what I'm doing?

[rastuscat]

I think it's a brilliant idea and I've had several instances in the past where I would have been thankful for such an opportunity. What about the quota though?

The quota isn't a problem. Without wishing to start yet another shitfight, I don't have one.

Go on then, argue that. Again. And again.

[rastuscat]

Right, need to promote it to my boss today, before the ACC funding runs out.

[blue rider]

Um, call me a silly sausage, but isn't that what I'm doing?

What you are advocating is choice, get a hefty ticket or go do training, show me the proof of doing the training and poof away goes the hefty fine.

This will work to a certain extend on some individuals i agree with you on that, but for others it will just be a cheaper option than the fine.

however, have Police as an institution advocating better mandatory training, on every given opportunity will in the end have more impact on the general public.


what you are doing/going to do will have some impact on some where you are, the rest of the countries inexperienced/bad/cocky riders will still have to deal with the law as it is.

I really would like the first responders, the police advocating minimum mandatory training. I believe it will have much more of an impact than hi viz, and a couple of cops saving one rider at a time.

mind, i don't know about silly sausages (never met one actually) but would still offer you pastry for afternoon tea

[trustme]

I like the idea but have a question. How does it get implemented in an even handed manner. Does the recidivist offender simply attend umpteen training courses & never pay a fine or does Popo have to check the offenders record before making a decision.
Good idea , I see the potential for it to be abused by both sides, regretably I am a cynic when it comes to human nature.

[p.dath]

Modelled on a scheme in Nelson, I'm thinking of doing something like this....

FYI, I help organise free training for new riders in North Auckland, called NASS.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Nort..._Street_Skills

I got the permission of my local "Strategic Road Policing Manager" for the local motorcycle highway patrol officers to come along and help lend their advice during the training. I think they call it a "2P", part of their public relations functions. The don't come every time, but we sometimes get 1 or 2 officers along.

Anyway, the officers have told me that they have already referred several riders along (that being riders they feel are having basic skill issues) using their discretion along similar lines. In their case though, they are able to come along and see if the person attended ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Modelled on a scheme in Nelson, I'm thinking of doing something like this.

1. Find a motorcyclist doing something I could potentially write a ticket for. Not hard.
2. Take all his/her details. Make sure I have follow up details.
3. Make sure he/she has all my contact details
4. Supply full contact details for the training that ACC is heavily subsidising.
5. Tell said biker that if he/she does one of the approved courses, no ticket will be issued.
6. Bikers choice…..do the training, paying $50 for the privilege, or get the fine, normally $150

I'm trying to see the arguments against this. If I can cause people to choose training and avoid wasting their dosh on fines, where's the issue?

I guess I'll get all the carping, but let me have it, I'm actually interested in suggestions as to how I could make this better, what things not to do etc.

Have at it Citizens.

Donuts.

a fantastic idea, well worth supporting.

As Ive said before, I dont care about velocity tax, what pisses me off is the pointlessness of demerit points.

In other news, can you suggest alteration to suspension settings to improve an incipient headshake/twitchiness in certain models of Triumph motorcycle at speeds of 180kph + ? Do they cover that in the ACC course? I'm thinking tyre pressures and or suspension settings, but maybe a steering damper though I dont really like that band-aid type of fix

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yup, that's one of the providers I want to refer people to.

Check my other posts, I posted the three providers a few weeks back, coz I want folk to go do the training, regardless of why. Voluntarily is always good.

BTW, I rang the school quoted above yesterday, they've had quite a good uptake. Lots more people will do training voluntarily if it costs less. Funny old thing.

the big issues will be around implementation: who are the trainers, where are they based, how long do the punters get to get the training and is it achievable in terms of timeframe? Are there trainers available in Gore, Westport, Balclutha, Queenstown, Huntly or Waihi?

Nothing that couldnt be worked thru though.

[Madness]

The quota isn't a problem. Without wishing to start yet another shitfight, I don't have one.

Go on then, argue that. Again. And again.

You may not but I'll bet you half a dozen Donuts that the 3 full time riders do.

[cheshirecat]

Excellent idea.
Haven't had the privelige of being stopped over here (yet) but warnings by a couple of UK bike cops in my youth provided timely necessary reality checks and initiated me going on a UK Bike cop course. It consisted of "making progress" during a series of night time rides through fast country roads and villages. Best thing I ever did and saved me numerous times daily when DRing in London. The warnings of being stupid were far more effective than a ticket, especially the way they were said and from another motorcyclist.

[Deano]

I think it is a great idea.

Would you not potentially fall fowl of 'coercement' though ?

E.g. When someone is caught polluting a stream or whatever, we used to write to the offender, asking for our clean up costs to be paid, and implying that if they don't, they will receive a fine. Our legal counsel advised that we could not do that.

But as I said, I think it is a great idea.

[MSTRS:Me]

Great idea. But it should be the whole country. The law and it's application isn't regionalised, is it?

It appears to me to be a form of diversion, which is only offered to first time offenders?
Do you treat any fineable offence in isolation, or decide to not offer because rider X has had a speeding ticket (say) within the last 10 years (say) ?

[rastuscat]

Great idea. But it should be the whole country. The law and it's application isn't regionalised, is it?

It appears to me to be a form of diversion, which is only offered to first time offenders?
Do you treat any fineable offence in isolation, or decide to not offer because rider X has had a speeding ticket (say) within the last 10 years (say) ?

My take on it is a little different from diversion.

If I can get anyone to attend training, their riding will probably improve. I actually don't care if they have had 3 previous tickets, or even 19. Getting them to training is what counts. Even the cynical will learn something, even if they think they already know it all.

The training will be run by three of the local professional riding instructors, through their schools. I'm not a trainer, it needs to be delivered by someone who does it for a job, and that's not me.

Thanks for all the comments to date. I'll keep checking my in-tray to see when the donuts arrive. Not yet