Road toll's or not.

[Odin]

I was called up yesterday evening from a survey company charged with doing a survey about road tolls. The general questions where about four different types of toll schemes for the Auckland motorways/cityroads. One was an area based scheme I never fully understood, then there was a per KM scheme, a scheme adding cost to city parking and a scheme with a border around the city one had to pay to cross. This was all meant to be paid in advance like on the post office or the like.

My feelings on the subject it that it would cost to much to administer, it would be to hard to police/enforce and it would be better if the driving age was put up to 18 thereby creating a public for public transport and therefore improving it so more people might use it. And taking some cars of the road and maybe getting some young people on there bikes.

But isn't it typical that motorbikes wasn't at all considered in this survey ...

[WRT]

Arent all road users paying "tolls" at the pump? Cost me $79 to fill the cage up on Tuesday night . . . I'm still walking like John Wayne from the pain of it all . . .

[pyrocam]

Arent all road users paying "tolls" at the pump? Cost me $79 to fill the cage up on Tuesday night . . . I'm still walking like John Wayne from the pain of it all . . .

$79
holy fuck

I like the idea in london.
they have a border around area's you have to pay a toll to get on.

does anyone remember the toll on the bridge?

[Eurygnomes]

London entry now costs a fiver I think...but not if you're on a bike. The only problem is that there's about 3 inner city bike parks (I think, I could easily stand corrected by those living there...) and so you kinda have to circle like a vulture till someone approaches a parked bike with a helmet, looking like they're oging to leave!

Apparently, it's really helped with the congestion.

[Odin]

The tolls surgested where 2.5$, 5$ or 10$ ....wait for it.... per day

That'll be up to 2000$ after tax every year.... hope to god they will let bikes go free

[Lou Girardin]

Some analysis I've seen shows that collection costs take the great majority of any revenue. The Tauranga tollway is a good exaple. If they do build toll roads, a lot of cagers will then be using untolled roads to avoid paying. That's our roads folks, the twisty ones.

[Wolf]

The tolls surgested where 2.5$, 5$ or 10$ ....wait for it.... per day

That'll be up to 2000$ after tax every year.... hope to god they will let bikes go free

I reckon $10 per cage, pay as you enter the area and (here's the cunning bit) $2.00 discount per passenger in the car - encourage car pooling - and motorbikes free. Marked commercial vehicles (couriers etc), taxis and buses also free.

[Pixie]

Some analysis I've seen shows that collection costs take the great majority of any revenue. The Tauranga tollway is a good exaple. If they do build toll roads, a lot of cagers will then be using untolled roads to avoid paying. That's our roads folks, the twisty ones.

The northern motorway toll is expected to be $1.85,$1.35 of that is collection costs

[Wolf]

The northern motorway toll is expected to be $1.85,$1.35 of that is collection costs

So every thousand cars they'd have $500 - enough to pay three guys to scratch their nuts beside a pothole for a day.

[Ixion]

$79
holy fuck

I like the idea in london.
they have a border around area's you have to pay a toll to get on.

does anyone remember the toll on the bridge?

Cost me over $100 to fill the Pajero the other day. Yeah I remember the bridge tolls. (Remember them building the bridge, too). Two way at first, half a crown each way. Then one way only, then the price came down until they finally droppd it. Pity in one way, cos they funded the Harbour Bridge Authority , and those guys in the Austin Gypsies were pretty good, helped me quite a few times.

[T.I.E]

The northern motorway toll is expected to be $1.85,$1.35 of that is collection costs

glad i don't live at Puhoi anymore. but i hate living in ak.

tolling the auckland roads to get in is good, but there is enough congestion as it is. imagine slowing it up and putting tolls everwhere.

rasing the driving age to 18 sounds great. increasing the public transport system like it.

what don't we have more bus/motorcycle lanes. get poeple out of cages and on bikes and in buses.

but new zealand is so unpredictable.

[Wolf]

what don't we have more bus/motorcycle lanes. get poeple out of cages and on bikes and in buses.

but new zealand is so unpredictable.

I think NZers are terribly predictable - they'll always rise up in arms against any attempt to take away their inalienable right to drive solo in huge gas-guzzling vehicles despite the fact they could walk there in under half an hour.

These are also, mostly, the same people who laugh at the vigour with which many Americans defend their "constitutional right to bear arms." Maybe New Zealanders should start wearing T-shirts that say "You can have my car keys when you prise them from my cold, dead hands."

Seriously, the resistance to public transport or walking is Herculean. "I don't care if it costs the better part of 5 dollars to drive to the shop and back for a packet of Smints, I'm going, damn it!"

The ones who wind up suffering are those who do have a genuine need to take their car somewhere - those with kids or who have to pick up something that would not fit on a bus or a bike, etc.

I see so many people driving huge cars by themselves and I know at least one of those people lives twenty minutes' walk from their work. Sure, some would need their car, many wouldn't.

And that's just Hamilton - Auckland and Wellington would be far worse.

I met a girl on the bus who lives out past Morrinsville, drives to Silverdale (outskirts of Hamilton) parks her car at her boyfriend's grandmother's house then catches the bus into town - to save on gas and parking hassles. All strength to her.

[Lou Girardin]

I think NZers are terribly predictable - they'll always rise up in arms against any attempt to take away their inalienable right to drive solo in huge gas-guzzling vehicles despite the fact they could walk there in under half an hour.

These are also, mostly, the same people who laugh at the vigour with which many Americans defend their "constitutional right to bear arms." Maybe New Zealanders should start wearing T-shirts that say "You can have my car keys when you prise them from my cold, dead hands."

Seriously, the resistance to public transport or walking is Herculean. "I don't care if it costs the better part of 5 dollars to drive to the shop and back for a packet of Smints, I'm going, damn it!"

The ones who wind up suffering are those who do have a genuine need to take their car somewhere - those with kids or who have to pick up something that would not fit on a bus or a bike, etc.

I see so many people driving huge cars by themselves and I know at least one of those people lives twenty minutes' walk from their work. Sure, some would need their car, many wouldn't.

And that's just Hamilton - Auckland and Wellington would be far worse.

I met a girl on the bus who lives out past Morrinsville, drives to Silverdale (outskirts of Hamilton) parks her car at her boyfriend's grandmother's house then catches the bus into town - to save on gas and parking hassles. All strength to her.

If I took the bus, the 30 km return trip would probably add 2 hours to my day. At my age, I can't afford that much. So you can prise my keys from my cold, dead hands when I'm cold and dead.
At least I ride a bike.

[vifferman]

Arent all road users paying "tolls" at the pump?

Indeed, and GST on the 'tolls'. And the 'tolls' are around three times as much as is spent on the roads they are supposedly levied for the upkeep of.

I think we should have trolls on the road, big ugly mofo ones (cave trolls perhaps), pounding the crap out of any car with only one person on board, pounding any car that looks like some crappy jap import, setting fire to anything too smokey: "Unhh... Trog see you like smoke... Trog help..."

[Toast]

tolling the auckland roads to get in is good, but there is enough congestion as it is. imagine slowing it up and putting tolls everwhere.

It already slows to 0km/h as it is, so I don't think it would be that much of an issue to put toll gates in.

Or they could do it like in Singapore, where you've got to have a device in your car that tells the system when you're in a toll zone, and begins to charge you then and there. It'd be quite a mission to roll it out and install them all. Perhaps they could stick them only in new cars, and give people the option to get them if they want to use the 'fast lane' at a toll bridge. Each unit would cost a couple of hundred bucks I think.