How to jump a bike?

[XTC]

Oh dear Mr Skid..... Have you mastered the corners yet??

[Voodoo]

when say u are hitting a table top or quite steep or highish jump (im a beginer so everything looks big!)what body position should u be in and do u just give it heaps and hope for the best, ive mastered a few small jumps but theres this table top that i guess havent nailed very well yet, usually just bail out to much when i hit it and end up with little air

and how do u preload the bike , one little jump i sort of push down then pull up as i hit the jump for bigger air, is that the same?

[Stevo]

Yup that is true .... the correct way is as above ...but the method I use ....is easier

When you see jump ..think Speed ,,then just before the jump.... Bail ....and shut thottle off ..then with a vice like grip ...hang on to those bars for all your worth ....dont worry about your legs going past your ears .... remember you have long travel suspension ( doesnt help in the slightest ,,but its a comforting thought ) .....and as long as you hold on .....( if you see the back wheel follow your legs ,,u in heap big trouble kingosabe,,,)
It not look pretty ,,,but its effective ,

Sounds more like you're trynna kill yourself!! Backing right off the throttle on the road dramatically increases the chance of getting into a tank slapper situation. Also as Vifferman said if you roll off the throttle or rear brake in the air it will drop the nose. "ASK YOURSELF" Is this what I want????

The one I am having trouble with is the drop off .. I know you have to wheely off them ,,,but I just cant bring myself to wheely off a cliff right now ,,,,yesterday I spent the day setting up the bike and maybe today I will practice a bit ,,,
But Yesterday I spent the day being launched out of the seat ,,,the flying W ..( preload to soft or technique ?? dont know )
Anyway once you get the hang of flying you will never look back

Stephen
who is a ...Limp wristed whoos rider

By "drop off" I assume you mean downhill landing?? If so then forget the wheelie businessand do what you suggested before and roll offf the throttle to drop the nose in the air. Thus enabling front and back wheels to land at the same time. It makes for much more stable and predictable (not to mention comfortable) landings.

My 2c worth

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=Stevo]Sounds more like you're trynna kill yourself!! Backing right off the throttle on the road dramatically increases the chance of getting into a tank slapper situation. Also as Vifferman said if you roll off the throttle or rear brake in the air it will drop the nose. "ASK YOURSELF" Is this what I want????

Nooo me wanto live kingosabe ...( actually the first part of the thead was a light hearted look at my riding ,,

The second part is more serious ,,,when i mean drop off I mean ,,cliff as in a 90 deg drop ...we have on at the loca mx park ...I agree I would like both wheels to arrive at the same time ,,and the only way I can think of doing that ,,is by lifting the front before I launch off the edge ,,, other wise the front drops and I tend to get pitched over the bars ,,,( which at my age loses it appeal after a while ,,,,) edit it say the above message is to short ,,,ehhh??? well heres the 10 characters you need then 1234456789890

Kind regards
Stephen



By "drop off" I assume you mean downhill landing?? If so then forget the wheelie businessand do what you suggested before and roll offf the throttle to drop the nose in the air. Thus enabling front and back wheels to land at the same time. It makes for much more stable and predictable (not to mention comfortable) landings.

My 2c worth

[Brian d marge]

when say u are hitting a table top or quite steep or highish jump (im a beginer so everything looks big!)what body position should u be in and do u just give it heaps and hope for the best, ive mastered a few small jumps but theres this table top that i guess havent nailed very well yet, usually just bail out to much when i hit it and end up with little air

and how do u preload the bike , one little jump i sort of push down then pull up as i hit the jump for bigger air, is that the same?

Me I look at the front mudguard ...though after about 5 min ...I sit down and ..stareing vacantly into space ,,,while listening to my heart ..destroy itself from abuse ...170 bpm ,,,whats that a bavarian speed limit?????

I also push down and try to Jump ,,the jump ...but see other post ,,,I havent that one down pat yet ......

I need to eat dirt more ,,,,


Stephen

[Stevo]

when say u are hitting a table top or quite steep or highish jump (im a beginer so everything looks big!)what body position should u be in and do u just give it heaps and hope for the best, ive mastered a few small jumps but theres this table top that i guess havent nailed very well yet, usually just bail out to much when i hit it and end up with little air

and how do u preload the bike , one little jump i sort of push down then pull up as i hit the jump for bigger air, is that the same?

The trick to a table top is to hit it with the necessary speed to clear the top part, but to roll off the throttle just before takeoff. This will tilt the nose down so that both wheels can hit the ground together. The hardest things with tabletops when learning is having the guts to go hard enough at them. If concerned, ask another rider with a similar bike what gear they are in and how much gas they are giving it. Once you have cleared it once, jumping the tabletop will never seem quite as bad.
When I learnt to jump the quad I was soooo pleased I had spent years jumping bikes on our farm because the quad is a whole different game but the principles are the same. Just the biff offs tend to be a little more spectacular, and a bit more nasty.

You are almost better to try and overjump a table top or big double jump than to underjump it. Bear that in mind. So give it to it, but remember to back off the throttle at take off. If the nose doesn't come down before landing just touch your rear brake a little to smoothen out the landing.
Like I say, when you have jumped it once, you will just go Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, and people won't be able to keep you off it.

Tip: Get someone to watch you. Ask them where you are landing. Do you need to be going a little faster? Ideally you should be attempting to land past the rounded part of the down ramp. You will be able to tell for yourself once you get it right as the landing will be smootherthan all the previous attempts.

Body position. Off the seat, knees and elbows slightly bent. This way your legs are acting like suspension for your own body weight and the bike's suspension is dealing with the bike. Easier on the bum too.

[Brian d marge]

Yup 1/2 if not all the battle is hit it fast enough,,,me I like tabletops cos I can prcatice blipping the throttle ..and rear brake experimenting with what happens ...
What I dont like ....is the one at our local ,,its new ...Ive seen 1 person treat it as a double ..and I think he cased it ,,,its right out of a corner,,,and a big drop the other side ,,so if you havent enough speed for what evr reason ...its a hard HARD landing

At the Moment it like a blasted oven here ,,,so I wont be riding anything for a while ...I traval from aircon machine to aircon machne

Stephen

[Kittyhawk]

The key is balance. Hit the jump at the right speed. Well........just go for it and get that adrenlin pumping
The safest way is to do what I did, start small on the wee bumps then just keep building from there.
There's a few crashes and spills along the way but that's how you learn. As for road bikes, well I'm still learning as I come from a motorx background and it's a total different feel.
It takes time and practise. I could do wheelstands on a 150cc road bike but now I've got a 600cc and it's well....I'm back to being a beginner.!?
Stick within your limits and dont' over do it.
You'll be sweet!!!!

[crackle]

I have wondered for a few years now if such a jump over K'rd is possible, but i figured that coming down from upper Queen would give a better launch!!! It is awesome to hear that it has been done on a GSXR, how far did you fly at 140k? I wanted to try on a big mx bike more like an xr650 or cr500! NC, have you done this mad stunt too?

[Badcat]

done it on:
bros 650
cagiva raptor
ktm supermoto.
used to live in cross st.
k

[Mattyc]

Im no demon motorcrosser, but can turn a couple of respectable laps (only two laps at a time cause im a fat pie-eater)

Heres my two cents

stand up thru the whole jump, and on the approach, grip the bike with your knees, i normally try and get right up over the bars on takeoff to preload the shocks a little to get a bit more bounce

front brake, will drop the front down, back will level the bike off, by dropping the back, a blip on the throttle will see the nose come up,

when i jump i usually let the front wheel come right up, then push the bars forward. (im talking on my sx250 ktm not my ZX9 , lol ) if you want a bit more fun to the jump, look down under your arm on the last bit of the approach, and as long as you dare in mid air - this will result in a tail whip. looking down left will see the rear go out to the right, vice versa, be too bring it back turn your head the other way, it will come back, where you put your head, your body and bike will follow (or so ive been taught)

I find this method tho, you tend to land a bit nose heavy, just looking over your shoulder for a good 3 - 5 seconds will do the same but without dropping the nose as much

[pyrocam]

nah you guys have got it all wrong

like this:

[eliot-ness]

[QUOTE=NC]I'm not condoning this, but.

See if you can get air over K'rd coming up from queen street, you have to do it in the early hours of a Monday or Tuesday morning. Oh and time the lights too.


A guy tried this in a souped up Cortina around 1976. Witnesses confirmed that he had all four wheels off the ground most of the way. Didn't impress the driver though. He died along with his three passengers.

[Ixion]

[QUOTE=eliot-ness]

I'm not condoning this, but.

See if you can get air over K'rd coming up from queen street, you have to do it in the early hours of a Monday or Tuesday morning. Oh and time the lights too.


A guy tried this in a souped up Cortina around 1976. Witnesses confirmed that he had all four wheels off the ground most of the way. Didn't impress the driver though. He died along with his three passengers.

Guy on a Kawa (1000 ?) did a similar on Newton Rd/Ponsonby Rd around early 80's . Got air over K rd alright. Hit a tree by the old Police station. Y'cant turn in midair. Not much left of the Kawa. Less left of the rider.

Bloody fucking stupid shit.