spotting mufti coppa's

[onearmedbandit]

Just why were you reporting in at the police station WINJA?

[Dafe]

I've been riding 6 years and no tickets yet and no close calls.
I ride 10-30% over the limit most the time.

My method..... Don't speed near anything you haven't confirmed as a cop car. Keep your speed back coming around corners and be ready to drop the gear for massive deceleration provided you tail is clear. ALWAYS ride within 5-10kph of the speed limit past vehicles parked up on the side of the road - until confirmed its not a mufti.
Watch all spots on roadsides/motorways where a copper could pull in and hide, approach with caution. Never let loose unless you know for sure, there is no vehicles in sight that may be cops and no hiding spots either.
When you are in the clear - let loose! You need to let some speed flow through the veins! We all do. It's all about timing.
Also, If a car comes around a corner towards you, always drop your speed until confirmed - not a copper.
Also, riding 120kph on a motorway, will always allow you to drop back between 100-110 in the blink of an eyelid. This is a safe cruising speed while you scan the roadsides and horizons. Don't go upto 130 unless other traffic around you is and don't overtake those cars going 130-140kph.
Just follow them and take them once they're queued behind the traffic ahead.

Also, don't change lanes aggresively or quickly, It shows you're hooning. Instead indicate well and then slowly cross lanes. You look more like your taking your time. And don't lane split over 30kph.
Follow this and I hope you'll have the same luck I have.

Also, be aware of the obvious as others have stated. 3 Aerials, crap rims and sedans (especially Holdens).
And always suspect 4WD's as they're the best traps and always scan overhead bridges. Slow if you see stationary people or vehicles on bridges until confirmed safe.

[number33]

(1). Hmm, you would never speed in this case.

(2). It would end up costing you a lot of time and dollars.

(3). EVENTUALLY things would go horribly pear-shaped, still, from your hospital bed/grave you would have the satisfaction of knowing you had saved many dollars with this technique!!

EDIT: Almost forgot, you would need an 'invisible-stealth' anti-helicopter mode as well for option(3).

Not much choice huh?

Relying on detecters puts you into choice 2. Too risky.


Actually, riding by choice 1 lets you speed to your hearts content. I always ride by choice 1. Rides can be a constant buzz of hardout acceleration and hardout deceleration if you want them to be. Sometimes choice 2 is unavoidable, but those instances can be cut way low by common sense and a bit of experience eh. Dafe is on to it.

Choice 3 is for the crazy's out there.

[Biff]

I wonder if all cop cars have the sat-nav transponder thingy?
How hard would it be to pick up the same info as it wafts through the eather?
Would it be difficult to put a radar, as in ship/aircraft type, screen on your bike so you get a 1k warning?
Is anyone out their going to build one?
Can I have one to please?
If people are spending $1000 on detectors that only work with radar (too late if you get hit with a laser) How much will they pay for one of these?
Can my one be free as I thought of the idea?
Oh go on....
Please?
What about cost price?
Pretty please?

You've more chance of convincing Auntie Helen to wear a paper bag on her head because she scares small children than be able to either afford the kit required to decypher this encoded/encrypted location data stream, or be able to cart all of the kit around on your bike.

It'd cost a minimum of $80 - and even if you could afford it I bet your balls that you'll never find anyone willing to sell you all the required kit.

But on the off chance that you're loaded, I can be bought..

[Beemer]

The speed for towing a trailer has been 90kph for quite a while now - far more sensible. Picking mufti cars from behind is a little easier because you can usually see the lights in the back window, plus your height advantage on a bike means you can often see the radar unit, etc. on the front dash. Coming towards you is bloody hard unless you are in a 50 or 70kph zone - saw three cop cars yesterday this way - a white Commodore in Foxton, a black Commodore and a dark green Nissan Navara in Levin.

Found a foolproof way of unmasking the mufti cop who patrols the Himatangi Straights - exceed the speed limit... A few years ago now, but he was driving a burgundy late model sedan and he got me as I was coming towards him at 9am on a Sunday morning. No other traffic around so I wasn't really focusing on my speed. $170 later I certainly was!

[Ixion]

You've more chance of convincing Auntie Helen to wear a paper bag on her head because she scares small children than be able to either afford the kit required to decypher this encoded/encrypted location data stream, or be able to cart all of the kit around on your bike.

It'd cost a minimum of $80 - and even if you could afford it I bet your balls that you'll never find anyone willing to sell you all the required kit.

But on the off chance that you're loaded, I can be bought..

We did this once before, and decided it wouldn't run, cos most of the muftis maintain radio silence.

Thing is, you don't NEED to decipher the data stream. Just to know that someone nearby is sending data on that frequency. It's sufficient for me to know there's a cop within a kilometre or so. I don't need to know what he's doing or saying.

If they are as rumoured getting GPS and stuff in the cars then it may open possibilites. GPS must transmit regularly, I think.

[scumdog]

Thing is, you don't NEED to decipher the data stream. Just to know that someone nearby is sending data on that frequency. It's sufficient for me to know there's a cop within a kilometre or so. I don't need to know what he's doing or saying.
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Be awful slow going anywhere at times if you worried about radio transmissions!!
Fire brigade are on the same channel (down here anyway) plus you have Youth Aid/Detectives/Supervisors etc chatting away about all manner of stuff - and they won't be sitting there with a radar waiting!!

[Ixion]

Be awful slow going anywhere at times if you worried about radio transmissions!!
Fire brigade are on the same channel (down here anyway) plus you have Youth Aid/Detectives/Supervisors etc chatting away about all manner of stuff - and they won't be sitting there with a radar waiting!!

Places where I open up, not very likely to be any of those . For me, if there's anyone "official" within say a kilometre, that's enough to stay within the legal (more or less) limit.

I don't speed beyond the "keeping with the traffic flow" in built up areas.

Just want to know if some officcier type person has wandered into my carefully preserved "experimentation" area. Tis not too bad cos there's normally no other traffic at all, and I can see a long way ahead, so I back of if I see any other vehicle closeish, but the range of those damn things is going up all the time.

[Biff]

We did this once before, and decided it wouldn't run, cos most of the muftis maintain radio silence.

Thing is, you don't NEED to decipher the data stream. Just to know that someone nearby is sending data on that frequency. It's sufficient for me to know there's a cop within a kilometre or so. I don't need to know what he's doing or saying.

True - at least in theory for 'normal' policing duties today (there are location systems in use by 'other' public safety/national security organisations, it's a secure digital system) - but you will need to decipher this information when it's introduced for all beat cops, as there's currently a procurement programme for a new digital PMR system under way. This system (base station and mobile terminals) will constantly be sending a wide range of data (authentication, cell site registration, sync settings etc) so there will always be some radio traffic being transmitted by both the network and mobile radios. And as all the information (voice and data) will be a digitised data stream you'll never know whether the cop is ordering donuts, asking for a rego check or the network is interrogating the radio for its geo' location.

And if you’re going to be looking at a specific RF frequency as an indicator to the presence of a nearby police officer, you’ll be wasting your time, as the new trunked digital systems operate on any one of a couple of dozen frequencies, so you’ll need a very powerful (read expensive) piece of hardware to scan all the possible frequencies simultaneously. And this frequency is guaranteed to change every time a police officer transmits.

If they are as rumoured getting GPS and stuff in the cars then it may open possibilites. GPS must transmit regularly, I think.

The GPS signal is received by the radio - the lat long + odometer info is then sent at a pre-defined time period or pre-configured distance covered. This is configurable by the system maintainer or the dispatch centre. The other option being that the location information is only sent when a police officer sends any kind of radio transmission. The last option is known as 'polling', where the control room operator sends out an interrogation message to all, or a specific radio asking for its location.

But it's all digital, they won't use their existing conventional analogue radio for geo-location information. So you'll need a bloody expensive bit of kit to decipher this information. And you'll probably be committing a crime against the state by attempting to decode this confidential information anyway.

[Ixion]

True - at least in theory for 'normal' policing duties today (there are location systems in use by 'other' public safety/national security organisations, it's a secure digital system) - but you will need to decipher this information when it's introduced for all beat cops, as there's currently a procurement programme for a new digital PMR system under way. This system (base station and mobile terminals) will constantly be sending a wide range of data (authentication, cell site registration, sync settings etc) so there will always be some radio traffic being transmitted by both the network and mobile radios. And as all the information (voice and data) will be a digitised data stream you'll never know whether the cop is ordering donuts, asking for a rego check or the network is interrogating the radio for its geo' location.

And if you’re going to be looking at a specific RF frequency as an indicator to the presence of a nearby police officer, you’ll be wasting your time, as the new trunked digital systems operate on any one of a couple of dozen frequencies, so you’ll need a very powerful (read expensive) piece of hardware to scan all the possible frequencies simultaneously. And this frequency is guaranteed to change every time a police officer transmits.



The GPS signal is received by the radio - the lat long + odometer info is then sent at a pre-defined time period or pre-configured distance covered. This is configurable by the system maintainer or the dispatch centre. The other option being that the location information is only sent when a police officer sends any kind of radio transmission. The last option is known as 'polling', where the control room operator sends out an interrogation message to all, or a specific radio asking for its location.

But it's all digital, they won't use their existing conventional analogue radio for geo-location information. So you'll need a bloody expensive bit of kit to decipher this information. And you'll probably be committing a crime against the state by attempting to decode this confidential information anyway.

Still sounds somewhat hopeful. I don't care if the cop is ordering donuts or doiing a rego check. He's somewhere nearby, that's enough for me to back off.

And I don't need real time, so I could just poll up and down through the possible frequencies. 24 frequencies, one per second, check every 24 seconds, that's enough. Doesn't matter if he changes frequncy next time. Soon as I see the light flash, I'm on the brakes.

Just need something that flahses a light when it sees traffic on a suspect frequency nearby. In theory , there should be nothing for several kilometres using those frequencies. Won't work if they only do it on an infrequent polling basis (that's the problem at present - they only break radio silence once they've caught you!), but I bet that once the bosses figure out that they can keep tabs on the position of all the cops, they won't be able to resist it.
Watching and waiting, methinks.

EDIT Actually, rereading, I think maybe you misinterpreted my original post. When I said "I don't need to decipher" I meant that I don't care what the content is, not that I don't need to at present because at present they are analog.

[madboy]

My view on speeding - if you're gonna speed, then S P E E D. Don't f*** around at 120k, that's just asking for a ticket. You aim for 120k and your speed with wander a little either way, so it might wander down and you miss out on paying the tax, you wander up and you pay some more tax. But either way around 110-130 is just asking for it - it's you fellas who keep the power switched on at LTNZ.

My theory is you either stick to the limit, in which case there is a theoretical chance of 0.01% of being taxed, or go friggin nuts, in which case there is a 1.7% chance of being taxed. Everything in between is high risk territory.

[Velox]

Found a foolproof way of unmasking the mufti cop who patrols the Himatangi Straights - exceed the speed limit... A few years ago now, but he was driving a burgundy late model sedan and he got me as I was coming towards him at 9am on a Sunday morning. No other traffic around so I wasn't really focusing on my speed. $170 later I certainly was!

Saw one sitting there on Sat in a white car (sorry - don't know cars, only bikes) right beside where all these other cars were parked up at the side of the road. Tricksy eh.


Dafe - I totally agree. I've (somehow) managed to avoid getting snapped by doing pretty much the exact same thing (well we'll leave it at that for now anyway). I didn't know that 4WDs were that dodgey though - I know they ocassionally use them.


"Speed kills" is the biggest promotional bollocks out there. So do cars and bikes! So do steering wheels! So do twisty roads! Or just roads for that matter! It's how you use them!!! What an ignorant statment to use as a hobby horse campaign. What pisses me off is that the 'general public' are starting to believe that if you "speed" that means you are "bad". Argh - make me sick.

[Beemer]

They had a police check point heading north out of Levin at about 9.30am this morning - marked car plus a dark green late model Ford Falcon. New one for this area, that makes three new ones I've seen since Friday! (The black one has been in Palmerston North for a while.)

The speeding ads are like the drinking ones - "it's not the drinking, it's how we're drinking" - what the hell does that mean? Drinking out of bottles rather than glasses? Mixing chardonnay with pinot gris?

As for the speed kills line, how come the book wasn't thrown at Helen and all her entourage - after all, if they were prepared to speed, they were prepared to kill! Funny how they didn't... And if speed kills, then NO cop should be allowed to exceed the speed limit on the way to an accident or crime because they would be endangering innocent motorists (some they have actually killed, but they're still allowed to speed) every time.

[Morepower]

Theres a red Mazda 6 in Hawkes Bay , they are getting crafty

[number33]

Beemer, I've seen those pricks cruising Motuiti Rd and Himitangi Block Rd at 5.30 pm evenings. Straight, empty backroads for krissake.