When You're Hot

[The Stranger:Me]

in a similar situation in a cage I would use the accelerator, for 2 reasons.

You are probably there because of understeer. A bit of accelerator will lift weight from the front wheels and allow them to track more accurately and if space permits a bit more will push the arse around and shift understeer to oversteer, which I find way less disconcerting.

Um that said I only drive rear wheel drive vehicles.

[Motu]

In this little scenario you've realised you've gone in too deep,you're off the throttle and pushing the front like mad to the outside,you know if you lean anymore you'll go down.What you need to do is get as far forward as you can,tiz a pity you are on a sportsbike,but you need to be on the gas cap,then get on the gas,just a tad,but it will stop that front end pushing.If all is lost lay it down before you get to things like ditches,fences etc,you can stop a lot quicker by yourself than if you are connected to a motorcycle with a lot of inertia.

[Biff]

I was taught never to roll off the throttle if you're mid corner and the corner is tighter than anticipated. My instructor (class 1 UK bikey cop instructor) told me to keep the throttle constant, or even roll it on slightly, and counter steer, harder, and harder. If you suddenly lean more this may tend to imbalance the bike, so try pushing down on the inside peg, and drop your shoulders in. Look where you want to go, not where you don't (target fixation). Drag the back brake too, as in ever so slightly applying it. But never the front, or hard on the rear, as the bike will simply stand up if you do.

Don't ever give up trying until the game is over.

[Phenoix]

All good advice.
Im listening to it all for next time.

[oldrider]

You know when you get it right it feels fantastic. You also know when you get it wrong, you meet a lot of nice medical people and have a lot of time to reflect. Enjoy the good ones of each. Cheers John.

[The Stranger:Me]

All good advice.
Im listening to it all for next time.

How are you anyway, and how is the bike?

This was not aimed at you specifically Phenoix.
It happens to a everyone sometime and can be pretty freaky.

[justsomeguy]

How are you anyway, and how is the bike?

This was not aimed at you specifically Phenoix.
It happens to a everyone sometime and can be pretty freaky.

You sure about that?? keeps happening to me all the time..... oh if only I didn't have dyslexia and alzheimers

and for the info in this thread

[slob]

Slightly OT, but I once found myself in a situation where I was negociating a 25km corner going flat out on a 50cc scooter. I leaned it as far as I could but eventually the exhaust hit the deck and lifted the rear wheel clear off the road. I made it round the corner although I was rolling behind the spinning scooter..

[Motu]

Used to ride pillion with a guy who rode like that - he'd come into the corner too fast,going wide,time to get off you'd think....then he'd slam it onto the inside peg (we're talking early 70s Triumph) lift the rear wheel off the deck,the bike would pivot around to point to the exit...then he'd pick it up and blast out of the corner.We also used to scrape the pegs right,left and right just doing a passing manoeuvre....I learnt to be a relaxed pillion....

[madboy]

How about scenario two:

Loosebruce pops a mono past you at 140+, over the brow and into the left, pops the front down just as you come over the brow to see him disappearing into the right hander at 170 on a really cool looking lean angle...

hey - if he can do it at 170 on his well set up Gixxer thou with $400 each semi-slick race tyres, I can surely do it at 140 on my thrashed 95,000k 1988 250cc with $150/pair tyres I scored off a mate, f***ed fork seals and a wonky rear shock... and then I come into the corner, oh dear it's off camber, the radius is closing...

... and I look up at the vanishing point to see a silver K3 Gixxer thou summersaulting through the wire fence followed by some mildly porky fella about fifteen feet in the air...

I know it's hypocritical of me to say, since I've followed the big boys into corners a lot faster than I would have had I been alone, blindly assuming that because they could, I could 10k slower.

But even the big boys have bad days... ride your own ride.

[Ixion]

Used to ride pillion with a guy who rode like that - he'd come into the corner too fast,going wide,time to get off you'd think....then he'd slam it onto the inside peg (we're talking early 70s Triumph) lift the rear wheel off the deck,the bike would pivot around to point to the exit...then he'd pick it up and blast out of the corner.We also used to scrape the pegs right,left and right just doing a passing manoeuvre....I learnt to be a relaxed pillion....

BUGGER. Wot did ya want to remind of that trick for. I always wanted to be able to do that. Almost got it right a few times, but on the silencer not the peg. Ended up with the bottom of the left hand silencer scraped away, never could get near it on the right. Bugger I'd forgotten about that. And now I dont suppose I'll ever learn to do it. Damn.

[Right Charlie]

This quote starts too seem appropriate

"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough"-Mario Andretti

Stolen from Teflons Sig.

I always push the boundry a little more each time, Over time, what was scary (a 55kph Right hander) at 55kph, is now comfortable at 70kph. ONe day of course ill push the limit too far, but thats how you learn where it is.

This was my technique back in the days of XC MTB riding... though the potential for damage of course a lot less...

That said you can still hurt yourself pretty bad coming off a MTB, local guy broke his neck at Woodhill coupla weeks back. Few months ago somone died it woodhill (wonder why they removed all of the structures over 1mr high?)

[Macktheknife]

All jokes etc to one side for a moment, try measuring yourself against a rider who is just a bit better than you are, this way you learn and live thru it. Trying to be Aaron Slight on your early runs is generally gonna bring you lotsa pain.

[Motu]

BUGGER. Wot did ya want to remind of that trick for. I always wanted to be able to do that. Almost got it right a few times, but on the silencer not the peg. Ended up with the bottom of the left hand silencer scraped away, never could get near it on the right. Bugger I'd forgotten about that. And now I dont suppose I'll ever learn to do it. Damn.

I've taken it right down to the pipes - and then lifted both wheels off the ground at the same time....aren't these young fullas lucky to be able to learn on bikes with ground clearance!

[Gremlin]

Interesting thread, been going through this over the last 2-3 months in my head and pm'ing tristank and aff-man. This is from a newbies point of view, and obviously not perfect yet.

Also, there have been threads about crashing and that you don't have to, to learn, but I have found that by crashing (not deliberately of course) and analysing the crash, I have learnt a lot more and understood a fair bit as well.

Both crashes so far have been country, me, nobody else and my fault. First was out of a reasonable - although pic shows it tightened on exit - corner, but my mind was thinking of which turn I had to take, too late I realised I was running way wide.

Second was right in front of aff-man (who was able to give heaps of advice and tips etc - thank you as well ) and again my mind was elsewhere, thinking how good the guy in front was, his bike looked great through the corner etc FAAARRK I'm running wide. This time I was on the brakes again, but was able to pull the bike up and toppled over in the ditch. As he told me, instead of just tipping it in, I went straight ahead because I was braking.

I have also run wide a couple of times on clear road. Came in too hot (but now I know I wasn't, but at the time it felt bad) and braked a bit and ran wide into the oncoming (left hander).

Practice: corners you know, anywhere even as aff-man suggested, roundabouts. Come in wide, induce a panick (you are trying to override your automatic response, not the everyday response) and then tip it in. As your confidence grows you feel more comfortable tipping it in, knowing that you can do it (if you are in the middle of a corner, second-guessing is really not the best of ideas).

I have found that rolling off the throttle is the best way to break in the early stages of the corner, but NOT the middle. Gentle acceleration is best in the middle and late stages, and as CaN told me, it settles the bikes suspension and I tried it and it does work.

Obviously as I get better I will try using the back brake perhaps, but for a newbie, I reckon this is easy, good to practice and not too tricky to understand???

Yes/No?? I reckon confidence and practice practice are the main tricks to master. Obviously not riding someone's ride is smart, no two people are the same. And as someone said, they do get it wrong.