Braking in the wet.

[FROSTY:Me]

can--I see your point and agree with you.-But not leading with the rear brake as a hard and fast rule I disagree with.in certain circumstances leading with the rear is a good thing.
Hmmthinking about it -I guess a newer rider having to think about what theyre doing is a hell of a lot worse than them fractionally decreasing optimum braking effort

[Skyryder]

Sudden braking in the wet can be a buggar. Nine times out of ten there just isn't time to feel the brakes and feather the bike. It's instant on and if you cock up it's instant off.

When I ride in the wet in traffic I keep the revs up. Engine braking is a safer option for adjusting speed. But in an emergency.............I just ride slower and keep a sharp eye.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

can--I see your point and agree with you.-But not leading with the rear brake as a hard and fast rule I disagree with.in certain circumstances leading with the rear is a good thing.

Been riding off and on for years but can not think of any circumstances where leading with the rear brake has an advantage over the front.

In a straight line leading with the rear can slew the bike due to road camber.

Leading with the rear in a corner can set the bike up for a high side.

Dexterity of the feet is less than the finger of in other words foot control is more difficult in precise braking.

If the back slides out this is far more difficult to control than the front locking up. When the front locks up and the brake released the front wheel realighns itself with the back due to the lighter weight.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

Been riding off and on for years but can not think of any circumstances where leading with the rear brake has an advantage over the front.

If the back slides out this is far more difficult to control than the front locking up. When the front locks up and the brake released the front wheel realighns itself with the back due to the lighter weight.

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Gravel. Sand . Or steadying the bike through a curve before braking hard for the next curve ?

Personally I'd much prefer a locked rear than a locked front. Locked rear doesn't do anything bad so long as you don't release it suddenly. May even be handy way to slide through a corner. Good way to control a sliding front , on gravel anyway , is to lock the rear . Sort the front out , the rear will take care of itself.

[Skyryder]

Gravel. Sand . Or steadying the bike through a curve before braking hard for the next curve ?

Personally I'd much prefer a locked rear than a locked front. Locked rear doesn't do anything bad so long as you don't release it suddenly. May even be handy way to slide through a corner. Good way to control a sliding front , on gravel anyway , is to lock the rear . Sort the front out , the rear will take care of itself.

The same rules apply in both gravel or sand. You just do not apply the same amount of pressure as you would on tarmac. As for steadying the bike through the curve best way for that is to change down or roll on the juice. Both brakes on the curve yes if that the option but to lead with the rear on curve with the bike angled and a shakey bike to boot...........that's just dumb.

In the scenario that you use where the front is locked the best option is to roll the throttle. However if as you say and it becomes necessary to stop in a hurry why not apply both brakes evenly?

I am still of the opinion that there is no advantage in leading with the rear brake.

We do agree that by sorting the front out the rear will take care of itself. I alluded to that in my earlier post.


Skyryder

[cowpoos]

The same rules apply in both gravel or sand. You just do not apply the same amount of pressure as you would on tarmac. As for steadying the bike through the curve best way for that is to change down or roll on the juice. Both brakes on the curve yes if that the option but to lead with the rear on curve with the bike angled and a shakey bike to boot...........that's just dumb.

In the scenario that you use where the front is locked the best option is to roll the throttle. However if as you say and it becomes necessary to stop in a hurry why not apply both brakes evenly?

I am still of the opinion that there is no advantage in leading with the rear brake.

We do agree that by sorting the front out the rear will take care of itself. I alluded to that in my earlier post.


Skyryder

I trail brake on the road all the time...sharpens turn in and steadies the bike....I'm still happy trail braking when my toe slidder is touching the ground....I can't see ya changing down a gear while the bike is right over like that....or playing with the throttle ham fistedly.....I think your talking through a hole in your arse....so I wouldn't go around telling people they are dumb...what your typing sounds dumb

and as for appling both brakes evenly...that won't nessacarily balance the bike....there are alot of different dynamics at play on a bike...alot of weight transfer in 4 dimensions not just 3 like a car...

[cowpoos]

Been riding off and on for years but can not think of any circumstances where leading with the rear brake has an advantage over the front.

In a straight line leading with the rear can slew the bike due to road camber.

Leading with the rear in a corner can set the bike up for a high side.

Dexterity of the feet is less than the finger of in other words foot control is more difficult in precise braking.

If the back slides out this is far more difficult to control than the front locking up. When the front locks up and the brake released the front wheel realighns itself with the back due to the lighter weight.

Skyryder

if the back slides its easyer to control than the front....????? alot of people will disagree there mate!!!
release the brake and the front re-aligns itself with the back due to the lighter weight......aye?????....did you just make that up? sounds like it...the reason it re-aligns its self is because it starts spining around again...giving back control to the rider...have you tryed to turn with locked brakes on a car....can't do it!!!! it coz the wheels arn't going around...

think about it!!!!!!