Is it illegal to ZING on your bike?

[Dafe]

In that case just fuck off when you feel like it and see what happens.

Somehow I don't think Deano was saying that asking to leave is pointless, therefore leaving the only alternative you could think up, being: fucking off when you feel like it!

I agree with Deano completely, asking to leave IS pointless. An arrogant asshole like this cop will take as long as he wants to say the shit he has to say!

At the end of the day...... I'd possibly listen and hear him out, all the time feeling sorry for him. Thinking about how his arrogant attitude has depleted any social life skills he may have had (there goes the relationship!). Thinking how I don't have to put up with the worst shit life has to offer, because he does it for us and worst of all, what a sucker for doing it for peanuts!
And he gets up every day to do a job I wouldn't send my dog out to do!
Thanks Tossifer!

[Dafe]

I've had some previous affiliations to the Police Complaints Authority. Let me tell you, If a cop has really stepped out of his rightful place. Then you should raise a complaint against the Officer, as all complaints are dealt with, regardless of the severity of the complaints. Too many arrogance complaints will soon have an officer under investigation and may result in their dismissal from public duty.

[riffer]

Well, for what's its worth, I had to work in Paraparaumu today so took the opportunity of checking out Paekakariki Hill twice, once between 7.45 and 8.15-ish, and again between 3.00 and 3.30-ish.

Never at any time did I see any policemen or any type of anti-zinging device, which was most disappointing because, just for a laugh, I tried to keep under the speed limits, which basically meant I was doing 70km/hr in the 70km/hr sections and 80km/hr in the 80km/hr sections. This was an example of how to either bore oneself silly, or an exercise in trying to avoid all use of the brakes and practice modulating speed purely by the throttle.

This I achieved with the exception of the 25km/hr corner, for which I changed down from second to first, just for a giggle.

End result - a pretty boring ride. The only entertainment I got was from a Hilux, Evo4, Galant, and some piece of crap Van who all forgot which side of the road they should be driving on.

To add insult to injury, I only spotted one bike the whole ride, and the rotter was going at a much more appropriate speed for the conditions today. No names - but you know who you are - you naughty black R6 rider you - hope you had a better ride over the hill.

I think after 25 October I may have to reconsider whether I want to stay at 70km/hr through Battle Hill - but until then - I'll be good.

Only 10 more days at 95 demerits...

[Patrick]

Most liquor ban bylaws allow the transportation of liquor and the above case would I believe qualify. (How else are you meant to get liquor home from a bottle store in the CBD ?)

Given the circumstances you describe and the fact that the intent of the bylaw is to prevent public disorder, I would say this was very poor policing.

Spot on...that cop overstepped his authority. Liquor bans here are the same. If carrying it to consume it, take it from the area (not seize and destroy on the spot!). If carrying it as a gift, well...surely common sense would normally prevail? If consuming? Good luck../ bust his arse!

[Patrick]

(3)An enforcement officer in uniform or wearing a distinctive cap, hat, or helmet, with a badge of authority affixed to it, who is for the time being engaged in the regulation of traffic on a road, may—

If the cops not wearing the hat in the car I don't need to stop see.....

Sorry, wrong...distictive badge also includes the badge on their shirt shoulders...

[NordieBoy]

half of my posts get deleted to! an some times i know im just not buzzing out because someone will have given me rep for it an then when i go back an look for it its gone!

Maybe you're on your ignore list?

[spudchucka]

Auckland city council info on alcohol bans

Does not apply to private homes, any premises with a liquor license, or transport out of or through.

If you spoke to the Auckland police and asked them about how the alcohol bans are pratically applied I think you would find that they only target people with open vessels and people actively consuming. This is usually the case with some exceptions such as the Mount, Taupo and a few other places on news years eve.

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/coun...ban/police.asp

Powers of the police

* it is an offence to knowingly disobey the liquor ban. The police can arrest you if you commit an offence against the alcohol ban, or if they have reasonable cause to suspect that you have done so
* if you are carrying or drinking alcohol in a public place within the ban area, the police will give you the opportunity to leave the area or tip it out before searching you or your car
* the police will only arrest people who refuse to comply with a request to leave the area or tip their alcohol out
* the police will not target people carrying alcohol to a BYO restaurant to have it with a meal
* the police can confiscate alcohol as evidence if an arrest is made
* the legislation allows the police to impose a maximum penalty of $500.

[Ixion]

It was not long after the legislation came out. They were perhaps a bit more eager beaver. I have heard of a number of cases of people carrying unopened contianers who have been required to tip them out or leave the area. Silly thing is, if the gentleman in question had told a fib and said he was going to drink it over dinner in a BYO, he'd probably have been believed. He's the sort of guy who always tells the truth, but.

Real point though, coming back to the original post, is not the law, but the attitude of the cop, which was really bad. In your face, arrogant, cocky. And,as previous disclaimer, its the small 1 or 2 % minority of officers that are the issue here. Most police handle interaction with the public (even the "difficult" ones) politely and professionally. Unfortunately, there's that small percentage who don't (inevitable, but with 7000 cops even a few percent is still quite a number). And when people run up against one of these, they really remember it for a long time, and also feel pissed off that there's nothing they can do about what is perceived as unacceptable behaviour.

[Drunken Monkey]

...dont get me wrong but i can out corner any cage over there easy [smoked a mitsi evo/ boy racer in the same hairpins] ...

Whatever. Smoked a mitsi sigma running on 3 cylinders maybe. I can ride my mountain bike faster than those gn250s go. 'Smoke' an Evo? In your farken dreams.

[inlinefour]

Not sure what that is, will have to ask if or when I next get pulled over by a HP car. Not even sure if my new bike is capable of zinging, or for that matter if I am also. Don't get on Spud's back people, he is after all just trying to offer some good legal advice from the Police side of the fence. I doubt if there are many ploddoes that would actually do that, cheers Spud. We allways have to put up from attitude from people at some stage in our lives, its how we respond to it that really only counts. Who cares if the HP in question was having a bad day or if he should have done this or that? I view the Police much like what the ref says on a rugby field. Be polite, do what he/she says and then get away from them and wait until they are not looking if your doing something dodgey. Either that or stop the dodgey behaviour as they are making some good points. At the end of the day the HP is doing their job. Local one pulled up beside me on my first ride on the new pit bike. Gave me the thumbs up, stated nice bike and be carefull on it. Maybe its the cager pillicks that have him so annoyed and its their "zinging" that has him so wound up. Could be that he has seen a few fatal bike crashes and does not what to see you do it next. Might have an attitude, but we could speculate as to why and still be no closer to the truth. All I reckon is that if we do zing, do so safely and keep the rubber side down and watch out for cager wannabes who think its their right to zing also.

[Monsterbishi]

Main Entry: zing
Pronunciation: 'zi[ng]
Function: noun
Etymology: imitative
1 : a shrill humming noise
2 a : an enjoyably exciting or stimulating quality : ZEST b : a sharply piquant flavor

So were you being shrill, or zesty? From memory, they can ticket you for shrill, but not zesty :-)

Source: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...ionary&va=zing

[spudchucka]

It was not long after the legislation came out. They were perhaps a bit more eager beaver. I have heard of a number of cases of people carrying unopened contianers who have been required to tip them out or leave the area. Silly thing is, if the gentleman in question had told a fib and said he was going to drink it over dinner in a BYO, he'd probably have been believed. He's the sort of guy who always tells the truth, but.

There have been a number of cases where the police have got it wrong, particularly in the early days of alcohol bans and I believe that the legislation was ammended to remove the ambiguity that had been responsible. Thats as I recall it anyway, I could be wrong.

The areas that I have worked in with alcohol bans have taken the approach of targeting known trouble makers with zero tolerance to open vessels and active consumption. There are signs throughout the CBD and when the ban was introduced in one town I worked in the cops spent the first couple of months warning people to educate them. The good people of the town who simply make a mistake through ignorance are not targeted for apprehension, however they will be asked to comply with the regulations if they have open vessels. As far as I'm aware this is the approach taken throughout NZ.

Real point though, coming back to the original post, is not the law, but the attitude of the cop, which was really bad. In your face, arrogant, cocky. And,as previous disclaimer, its the small 1 or 2 % minority of officers that are the issue here. Most police handle interaction with the public (even the "difficult" ones) politely and professionally. Unfortunately, there's that small percentage who don't (inevitable, but with 7000 cops even a few percent is still quite a number). And when people run up against one of these, they really remember it for a long time, and also feel pissed off that there's nothing they can do about what is perceived as unacceptable behaviour.

I'm not disputing any of that other than to say that repeated complaints against an individual cop are certainly noted by supervisors. If a cop attracts repeated complaints, even of a minor nature it will become a performance issue that he / she will have to improve.

[Lou Girardin]

In the context of the Land Transport Act 1998 I think it is reasonable to assume that the term road would in some way involve the use of motor vehicles.

I'm surprised at you Spudlet, you do not assume unless there is case law to support it.
You should well know that you can require details from pedestrians and cyclists "on a road".

[Lou Girardin]

Sorry, wrong...distictive badge also includes the badge on their shirt shoulders...

Sorry, you're wrong. Read the legislation. Cap, hat or helmet WITH a distinctive badge AFFIXED to it.
Shoulder flashes do not comply.

[spudchucka]

I'm surprised at you Spudlet, you do not assume unless there is case law to support it.
You should well know that you can require details from pedestrians and cyclists "on a road".

Do you need case law to confirm that the Land Transport Act, which is being discussed, is in fact legislation concerning roads and road users?

Or are you so thick that you think its all about Jantar's shit pond? Just give me plenty of notice when you are going to ride the bandit across the poo lake so I can come along for a laugh.