Killers?

[Colapop]

Quoted from Stuff 17/10/05
"In July, a car containing six teenage boys crashed into a tree in Hastings at 130km/h. Four of the teenagers were killed.
One of the survivors, Ricky Moulder, 18, is to appear in court today facing a charge of unnecessary exhibition of speed. His new car, a $12,000 Nissan Silvia, was impounded for 28 days after he was pulled over by police."

I suppose this is a question to older riders with kids but all perspectives are appreciated. I'd like to know how we (as a society?) can stop this sort of thing from happening? Legislate the crap out of everyone until no-one can do anything? Or just wait until these kids kill themselves and others? (Or worse not kill them. See Biff's post - Drink drivers) The thing is sure these kids grow up (by some fluke) and get mature but the attitude still remains "In my car, I am the boss" and frequently it's bikers that have to put up with the shit from there...
I was just thinking 'bout it....

[skelstar]

Firstly Im not a parent. I think that (horribly) it would be a case of relying on a good upbringing from parents that are equiped with the right skills to teach their ...children...well (I feel a folk song coming on). Rules will just to increase the revenue collecting and arguably wouldnt make much difference to their behaviour. I think its not a positive measure and only encourages a distaste for the 'Man'.

[Indoo]

Couple of more articles about this tool and his retard of a Father....

http://hbtoday.co.nz/storydisplay.cf...ondsubsection=

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10350477

My favourite part...

"Friends of Moulder's told the Herald on Sunday last week they were angry at the attitude of police, who did not give them an easier time when they were pulled over, despite having lost a number of friends in a string of recent fatal accidents. "

You friends die because they are idiots, you continue to drive like an idiot defying Darwin despite the fact that you have just seen the carnage it causes and you expect Police to go easy on you?

[Ixion]

What gets me is where they get the money from $12K ? At 18 ? I wish I had that sort of money nowdays let alone at 18. At 18 I was struggling to find $10.

[**R1**]

man there is 4 million people in NZ, I dont think loosing 3 or 4 hundred each year on the road is going to have much of an impact on our growth, I have kids and would for sure be devistated if anything happened to them, but when it happens to others ...I have to be honest and say I dont really care, I mean come on surely the roads are not NZ's biggest killer? if they are then we have a shit load to be thankfull for!!.......and if you are all so worried about being killed by a cager, go live ya life behind a large rock and leave the fun living to the rest of us.


(sits back and awaits self righteous pricks to force their opinion on me)

[Dadpole]

What gets me is where they get the money from $12K ? At 18 ? I wish I had that sort of money nowdays let alone at 18. At 18 I was struggling to find $10.

Wouldn't that would have bought two horses and a wagon then?

[Colapop]

$12k at 18 - easy. I had 2 milk rounds one morning one night and kept my paper round all through college and worked mowing lawns. I should have bought a brain instead I bought GSX750 (coz I could) at 17 (yes this was a while ago - mid eighties) and smashed it and myself - without insurance. I was very lucky, now I'm a parent of 2 kids (14 & 11). It's hard to blame my parents - there wasn't alot they could tell me to do or not to do. Yep I learned a very valuable lesson (it took 6 years of saving) and I lost the lot. I think the graduated bike lisence is a good start but expand it to include cars ie. learner drivers only allowed to drive up to 1300cc cars (unmodified)

[MSTRS:Me]

What gets me is where they get the money from .....

The parents. You have to ask yourself "Which one is worse? The teenager with the armorplate attitude? Or the parent(s) that seem to encourage it?"

[The Stranger:Me]

Can you stop it?
Should you stop it?
As I see it kids rebelling, challenging the ideas and beliefs of their elders normal and healthy.
I believe that that is what enables society to evolve.

We should embrace it and encourage it. Why not build safe places for them to hang out, to race when they want, to do burn outs when they want to.
Help them to build fast cars - so it is done safely and properly.
Because you are not going to stop it with regulation or force so you may as well work with them than against them.

[**R1**]

$12k at 18 - easy. I had 2 milk rounds one morning one night and kept my paper round all through college and worked mowing lawns. I should have bought a brain instead I bought GSX750 (coz I could) at 17 (yes this was a while ago - mid eighties) and smashed it and myself - without insurance. I was very lucky, now I'm a parent of 2 kids (14 & 11). It's hard to blame my parents - there wasn't alot they could tell me to do or not to do. Yep I learned a very valuable lesson (it took 6 years of saving) and I lost the lot. I think the graduated bike lisence is a good start but expand it to include cars ie. learner drivers only allowed to drive up to 1300cc cars (unmodified)

Na I couldnt see the graduated licence thing working, I had a gsxr750 when I was on my learners..

[MSTRS:Me]

Couple of more articles about this tool and his retard of a Father....

http://hbtoday.co.nz/storydisplay.cf...ondsubsection=

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10350477

My favourite part...

"Friends of Moulder's told the Herald on Sunday last week they were angry at the attitude of police, who did not give them an easier time when they were pulled over, despite having lost a number of friends in a string of recent fatal accidents. "

You friends die because they are idiots, you continue to drive like an idiot defying Darwin despite the fact that you have just seen the carnage it causes and you expect Police to go easy on you?

I read this on Saturday & just could not believe my eyes.This kid will die in a car before he learns anything. I just hope he doesn't take out an innocent third party. I'm glad he got sprung tho, but it appears as though he was enjoying a bit of cop-baiting as in "what you gunna do to stop me?".
Our residential street resembles a burnout pad, but do you think we can get a cop to come whilst these little hoons are at it? Not on your Nelly. When we get on the phone, the cops are more interested in finding out what we had for breakfast. Chances of being caught are slim for these young gits.

[TerminalAddict]

sarcasm !!!!
I have 2 girls, who are just starting to rebel.
I say things like - "go on then .. do your best .. do things I never liked doing .. like readin books, and studying ... that'll piss me off" .. they are old enough to get the idea.

When it comes to driving/riding/going fast/hand brake turns/etc etc .. I take them on a controlled environment, and teach them how to do it properly.

I have an eight year old daughter that has driven my car (although her legs are short so I had to operate the pedals)
I have no idea how to do it properly (parenting) .. I just make it up as I go along, just like every other parent

[Colapop]

I just make it up as I go along, just like every other parent

:gasp!!: You're not following "The Book"???? - How to be a Great Parent and Role Model
Some things your own parents just don't tell you and the things they do tell you are just not relevant (years of therapy have fixed 1/2 of that tho')

[manuboy]

I dunno. There is no simple soution.

Hell, i don't even think there's a solution. In fact, i think there's only really a problem when innocents get caught up in it. And if you're sitting in the back seat yelling "Hey bro! slow down!", that don't make you innocent.

Kids r kids. Always have been. But now they have access to "fast" cars fairly easily. They seemingly live forever in their own minds. They die, they cry about the unfairness of it all and then the next one lines up in the TurboChargedFuckOffMachine.

I think strong parently might slightly reduce the toll, but maybe not. And strong parenting is something you can't teach (or legislate).

Last weekend i caught two little c**nts in our local park on some shit beast little two stroker, pulling donuts beside the playground. I lost it bigtime. Jogged over, told them to get some brains and after about 2 seconds of one of them staring me down i kicked his ass real good like my old man would have done to me.

Nope i didn't feel proud at all. This guy was probably only 15-17. It wasn't the actions they took in the first place, it was the reaction - like "fuck off man, we're just having fun". Nope - fuck off kid, you are putting kids and dogs in real danger. I notice they haven't been back (to my surprise). But it's the same attitude on the road i think - "fuck off, we're just having fun".

If they ain't gonna learn watching their peers disappear they don't deserve any sympathy. And giving them somewhere to go play has been tried. I think it reduced the cool factor and hence it didn't work.

Having fun is one thing, having uneducated drivers in high powered vehicles that often handle worse than stock is what we are seeing.

[The Stranger:Me]

And giving them somewhere to go play has been tried. I think it reduced the cool factor and hence it didn't work.

When and where has this been tried.
I can't recall any serious attempt.